What is your current analysis of ...

[Arising_uk]

Fuck you, that there is cowboy diplomacy, not Hollywood hokum...

The black hat/white hat cowboy is exactly Hollywood hokum.

Nah, they just dressed it up. Cowboy diplomacy precedes Hollywood.

The cowboy was pretty much a press and Hollywood myth.

[henry quirk]

Given the history of political interference since WW2 against Persia it is clear that American has been wearing the black hat during that time, sometimes with a neckerchief pulled up over its nose.
Only a person with the most extreme ignorance concerning US/Iran relations would think otherwise.

If we're gonna be the bad guys we might as well be good at it.

But you're not good at it, that's the problem.

Iran disagrees.

[henry quirk]

The black hat/white hat cowboy is exactly Hollywood hokum.

Nah, they just dressed it up. Cowboy diplomacy precedes Hollywood.

The cowboy was pretty much a press and Hollywood myth.

Sez you.

[Walker]

Looks like another win for Trump.

Too bad for the haters.

Maybe next time.

[Walker]

The planet of reading comprehension, Chuckles. The pronoun “its” refers to Iran’s oil markets, not the United States.

My reading comprehension is fine sweetie. As I was refering to Iran's oil market which has, thanks to the US, been decimated such that this year they estimate a 70% decrease on oil revenue.

Sure. This is why Iran is more likely to listen to their markets. The customer is always right and all that. Natural market forces kicking in. Their customers say, don't disrupt our supply or you may lose the contract.

After all, Iran isn't Amazon.

In the meantime the totalitarian government is old and decrepit, the population is young and eager to enter the world of riches.

Revoluuuution.

[commonsense]

Donald Trump is driven to win any competition in which he’s involved, or at least to believe and claim he’s won. Iran holds a culture of martyrdom, for which an inferior military force serves well. Trump’s personal and Twitter statements may enrage or strike fear in Iranians. (Kudos to White House speechwriters for constructing today’s public pronouncement.) In either case of Iranian reaction, there may be further strikes against US assets. There will be war unless President Trump exercises (uncharacteristic) restraint.

Americans have generously supported their presidents in times of war, with the notable exception of President Lyndon Johnson during the war in Vietnam. It should also be borne in mind that President Jimmy Carter urged patience and exercised restraint when the American embassy was held hostage; he was not re-elected. All and all, US hostilities in Iran would be a win for President Trump in regard to domestic politics.

[Impenitent]

carter ... patience and restraint ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Eagle_Claw

carter was a great house builder but as commander in chief, he was a cluster fu*k

trump is ending 40 years of appeasement...

-Imp

[Arising_uk]

Sure. This is why Iran is more likely to listen to their markets. The customer is always right and all that. Natural market forces kicking in. Their customers say, don't disrupt our supply or you may lose the contract. ...

What are you talking about? They pretty much don't have a market due to the US sanctions and its economic sanction threats to those who do buy Iranian oil. What oil it does sell through saction busting is to those who don't care much for the US in the first place so the zero oil exporting aim of the Republicans is a bust on the first place.

After all, Iran isn't Amazon.

No idea what this analogy is suppose to mean?

In the meantime the totalitarian government is old and decrepit, the population is young and eager to enter the world of riches.

How old is the Trumpette again?
You do understand that young clerics are coming up through their system all the time don't you?

For sure the youth want an easing of the religious strictures and would definitely like an end to US sanctions which are causing them great hardship but they are not naive enough to think that even if they complied to US demands that things would get better as they well understand that the US is the Sauds friend in the regional power struggle between those two countries. They also still have a cultural memory of what US supported Iranian rule was like.

Revoluuuution.

You gonna let them down again ike the Kurds, Syrians, Iraqis, et al?

[Arising_uk]

trump is ending 40 years of appeasement...

-Imp

Like he's done in N. Korea?

[Arising_uk]

Iran disagrees.

Not really what I meant. America"s problem is that it it is the bad guy in that it acts as an imperial power in its national interest so blumders about the place destoying cointries but due to its myths about its own conception just doesn't play the bad guy well enough to leave anything of worth behind and the only ones who win are the bad guys.

[henry quirk]

Iran disagrees.

Not really what I meant. America"s problem is that it it is the bad guy in that it acts as an imperial power in its national interest so blumders about the place destoying cointries but due to its myths about its own conception just doesn't play the bad guy well enough to leave anything of worth behind and the only ones who win are the bad guys.

Oh, okay, gotcha.

[henry quirk]

trump is ending 40 years of appeasement...

-Imp

Like he's done in N. Korea?

N. Korea is work in progress: Trump has five years more to strike a balance.

Iran (the whole of the region, actually) too: a w.i.p.

[henry quirk]

Probably.

Me: I want us out of foreign entanglements, but gettin' out doesn't seem likely, so, if we're gonna monkey around overseas it'll be on our terms (whatever those happen to be at the moment), not the other guy's.

This is nuthin' new, so if the other guy continues to do business with us, or courts our favor, or shakes a fist at us, knowing who and what we are, well: shame on him.

[Arising_uk]

I agree. The Yank only acts abroad in what they consider their national interest. About the only war where they had some moral stance was WWI and even then they were late, only really entered due to the u-boats and were scared of Germany getting control in S.America along with the fear that if the allies won they'd carve things up economically against American business interests. As such they've supported a long host of truly evil dictators around the world and fair enough but it's having to listen to the total bullshit about supporting the ideals of freedom and democracy and getting the bad guys and being the good guys spouted by their leaders and apparently swallowed by a fair percentage of their populace that wears thin on these old ears. I mean come on! Is the American public really that stupid, do their politicians truly believe their own bullshit?

[Arising_uk]

N. Korea is work in progress: Trump has five years more to strike a balance. .

Iran (the whole of the region, actually) too: a w.i.p.

In your dreams. The Trumpette is a clown who treats your Presidency as though its The Apprentice, has he even managed to form a stable administration yet? That's got to be a first, up for re-election whilst not even managing to form an administration.