Philosophy Now Forum

Posted: **Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:33 am**

Walker wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 9:02 am
SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:30 pm
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:05 am Will 5G be the weapon of our own making that brings about our own extinction, and did we subconsciously want this extinction?

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What would be the basis for even having such a thought about 5G?
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Where do you carry your phone?

“Putting in tens of millions of 5G antennae without a single biological test of safety has got to be about the stupidest idea anyone has had in the history of the world.”
- Dr. Martin L. Pall, PhD and Professor Emeritus of Biochemistry and Basic Medical Sciences at Washington State University.

http://humansarefree.com/2019/02/5g-is- ... f.html?m=0

If I recall correctly I remember the same being said when cellular phone towers where first being installed and at 3G and 4G. I wonder how many biological tests for safety have been done since then?

Posted: **Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:36 am**

SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 3:20 pm
henry quirk wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:48 pm
SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:30 pm

What would be the basis for even having such a thought about 5G?
Probably worried about radio frequency radiation from all the cell towers sproutin' up, mushroom-like. I don't know enough about all that to comment, but I call bullshit on the whole 'man subconsciously wants to off himself' malarky.
In reality we want to live forever. It's Evolutionary survival.

And with the CORRECT definition of 'we', living forever is just not possible but actually IS True AND Real.

Ever wondered WHY there is such a STRONG instinctual drive to live AND survive?

Posted: **Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:40 am**

SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 3:22 pm
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 7:33 am
SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:30 pm

What would be the basis for even having such a thought about 5G?
Ultimately, the human mind is heading towards redundancy. There will come a time when we won't ever have to put any effort into living, or have to think about anything anymore, we'll just press a submit button on our mechanical devices and all the thinking and answers to our questions and problems will be at our finger tips. The singularity means we reach God like status, so we we won't be of any more use to ourselves, we'll become totally useless and dependant like a baby again, we'll become dependant on our own frankenstien like machines that will be our new God instead. Also, imagine how we would all react if the internet was NO MORE...people would go crazy and be like headless chickens. You know what they say, if you don't use it, you'll lose it. We are making ourselves deliberately redundant. Some people are aware of this, others are not and could not care less.

I don't know what is going to happen in the future but it's not hard to predict, based on what's already happening now.

Some of us just refuse to take our heads out of our arsehole and face the bigger picture, it's as if they want nothing more than to get lost up there own arse, it's like what is the alternative, that's hardly worth thinking about.

Just my nonsensical crappy opinions. The world is going to hell in a handcart, we all know it, we all instinctively know what everyone is thinking, it's just that some are afraid to say it out loud.

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All I see coming from 5G is faster download times. That's a good thing.

And this, 'being able to SHARE KNOWledge between brains FASTER' ability might be about the only real thing that comes from 5G.

That, and the fact that a relatively very small amount of human beings will gain a very large amount of money out of it.

Posted: **Sun Nov 24, 2019 6:55 am**

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 3:39 pm
SteveKlinko wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 3:22 pm All I see coming from 5G is faster download times. That's a good thing.

Faster is always a good thing for those who want fast. Remember though, traveling at the speed of light will make you disappear. Time to slow down, and know that what goes up must come down.

But is being able to learn, obtain, share, and transfer knowledge faster really a bad thing. Actually being able to transfer and share the 'what goes up must come down' knowledge to "others" FASTER would make some people more happy, correct.

Having the ability to gain knowledge faster like this could then teach AND allow human beings to actually 'slow down'. The very reason WHY human beings are moving "faster" is NOT because the ability to transfer knowledge is becoming faster it is because human beings are increasingly becoming more and more greedy, and thus wanting more and more things, which needs more and more money, which takes doing more and more things.

IF human beings STOPPED being SUCKED IN by the advertising from money hungry, profiteering, human being made up companies, then they will STOP wanting more THINGS, then they will NOT want more MONEY, and only then will they slow down, and then be able to recognize and distinguish between the TRUE and RIGHT KNOWLEDGE, which 'you', yourself "dontaskme", are 'trying to' SHARE, and the WRONG GREEDY FAKE knowledge, which is being DRUMMED into unsuspecting "heads" and brains.

5G will HELP in the transferring of the RIGHT KNOWLEDGE much quicker.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 3:39 pmOr, if you prefer to live fast and die young, know that any up and coming young people will have no place to shine, you are being replaced. The future is not in the future, it's now and it's not for you, the future is for the robot. The rise of the machines have taken all your power.

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Remember "machines" are actually powered by 'power'. Whereas, human beings are powered by 'food'.

Machines could NEVER "take over" because all 'we' would have to do is just disconnect their power source. Or, in simpler terms just turn the switch to the off position.

Posted: **Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:08 am**

Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:03 pm I'm assuming the "5G" reference is just about technology in general, not the specific next-stage in wi-fi communication standards that bring about an increase of general radiation.

I think that today's tendency towards Nationalism is a product of the ISOLATION that technology is trending towards lately. But this may be just about a period of adjustment given the smart-phone and internet are a kind of 'shock' in environmental change that our own evolution is not normally able to adapt to easily.

From what I have observed human beings very QUICKLY and very EASILY adapted to the change that has come with the somewhat smart-phones and the internet.

Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:03 pmIn another way, our evolution to BE conscious is also only more necessary where the environment lacks certainty where essential survival requires the mind to measure our experiences in order to figure out how to be more effective. As such, if we had an ideal world of tech that could replace our need to place the same efforts to survive that we evolved consciousness for, we would possibly lead to a state where our consciousness is no longer 'necessary' for survival. Then, we might evolve more towards the state of plants (without mind) because the biology only seeks the easiest route to be most efficient in survival.

Human beings also without minds. A Mind exists, but humans transfers information through thoughts from brains to brains.

Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:03 pmNote that we also do not hallucinate normally. This too may suggest a possible evolution towards enabling us to hallucinate where prior such activity puts us at risk. This then would be the opposite of losing consciousness but would still make us relatively MORE isolated as we turn towards our own imagination more than even having to relate directly between each other.

So I get the concerns but also don't fear it. If we evolve to create A.I. that takes over and even destroys humanity, this is STILL the normal means of evolution.

YES. Absolutely EVERY thing that HAPPENS is just a part of the NATURAL evolutionary process, which CREATES EVERY thing.

Besides the Universe, Itself, EVERY thing "else" comes into existence, exists, then exits. This is JUST how the Universe evolves, or "things roll", as some might say. There is, in the True sense, NO WAY of changing this. Therefore, whatever happens WILL HAPPEN. If 'we' end up living in Peace AND Harmony, forever more, then so be it. If 5G helps 'us' get there faster, then again, so be it.

Posted: **Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:30 am**

Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:24 pm
henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:12 pm
In reality we want to live forever.
Damn straight.
I don't. This may just be due to how much value you've taken out of life so far? I fear more the opposite....that we might never be able to die. Imagine, for instance, if you became empowered as a god. Once you reach this state of being able to be so powerful to have anything you want for the mere wanting of it, you'd be cursed without opting to disempower yourself just to find the pleasure that only comes about from overcoming pain. That is, things like forgetting, losing, and pain, are all equally essential to the values of knowing all, winning, and pleasure.

IF 'you' were God, then WHY would you WANT to take out of Life, what is essentially Life, and living, Itself anyway?

One reason to live is to experience ALL-THERE-IS. Without being able to experience ALL-THERE-IS would be to NOT be able to experience ALL of Life, Life, Itself, or Life, FULLY.

Being God, and being able to live forever with the power to have any thing you want, then why would you want to disempower yourself? If 'you' had the ability to live forever, what do you think you would gain pain from and what could you possible lose, which you would then not want to feel and experience? Also, if 'you' have forgotten some thing, then there is literally nothing felt.

Posted: **Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:56 am**

roydop wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:58 pm
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:05 am Will 5G be the weapon of our own making that brings about our own extinction, and did we subconsciously want this extinction?

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5G and A.I. tech is consciousness creating a new digital realm for it to transition into. This is the reason why we are becoming ever more addicted to all that the human mind has created (headphones and screens).

EVERY thing, which has been created from human beings has come from imagination and thinking. There is NO human mind.

roydop wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:58 pm We are transitioning into a new accepted reality.

Is there or could there be an "unaccepted" reality?

If yes, then any examples?

roydop wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:58 pmThis is not a "good" thing, as this 3D realm is itself a simulated reality.

"simulated" by who and/or what exactly?

roydop wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:58 pmThe species is going extinct and the collective super consciousness feels the impending extinction, and those who do not realize True Self (Enlightenment) will be reborn "in" a freakin' machine.

Are you able to elaborate on this at all?

If yes, then please do. What is this " 'freakin machine' " exactly, which you talk about here? And, what will supposedly happen to those that realize True Self (enlightenment)?

Also is there ANY species EVER not going to go, so called, "extinct"?

The so called "collective super consciousness", which I just call Consciousness, Itself, KNOWS what is about to come. What do 'you', "roydop", propose is about to come.

roydop wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:58 pmThere will no longer be a humanity to further reincarnate into.

What does "further reincarnate into" actually mean?

What do 'you' think or believe 'humanity' IS, exactly?

'What' even could reincarnate into 'humanity'?

roydop wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:58 pmThis is the singularity event when A.I. becomes sentient; not due to the speed of the computations, but because "you" will take your new ego to be "inside" a computer/cyborg, rather than "inside" a biological body.

This sounds a bit far fetched, to me.

Are you able to explain HOW this could even possibly occur?

The Truth of things, to me, sound far more reasonable, simple, and actually possible. But each to their own.

roydop wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:58 pmThe reason why everything is becoming digitized is to recreate this world as accurately as possible in order to "fool" consciousness into accepting it as the new reality, as a virus operates.

When 'you' say "to recreate this WORLD", what EXACTLY do you mean when 'you' say "world"?

By the way Consciousness is NEVER fooled. Consciousness also could NEVER be fooled especially by a species, which BELIEVES that it is so smart and intelligent, but which is actually so Truly STUPID that it does not even Truly recognize how close it is on the brink of extinction.

A species that KNOWS what it is doing IS WRONG but continues to DO WRONG, and at a Truly exponential rate, just because it WANTS MORE THINGS could NEVER fool Consciousness. To think a species, which is THIS STUPID could actually "fool" Consciousness, Itself, is a PRIME EXAMPLE of the STUPIDITY of that species.

Consciousness is OBVIOUSLY watching OR observing ALL of what species DO.

Posted: **Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:42 am**

henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:09 pm
The real you is operating on a subconscious level.
Nope. The real me is pokin' out this unremarkable response on this ipad. I call bullshit on all this unconscious/subconscious nonsense too. More accurately: there's there's the shit 'in the front' and the shit 'in the back'. It's all accessible, none of it buried. That old cocaine addict was just plain wrong.

The real you is not a response, a response is on contact with an object, as awareness becomes aware of itself..Awareness is always this immediate NOW - it is not a REplication/re-sponse.......a response is just an automatic function of the senses when awareness KNOWS sensation the conscious mind is born....there is no other self reacting to it's own self but awareness itself. There is no subject without an object they are ONE in the instantaneous NOW...always right here in plain sight. In other words there is no other self to be aware of itself other than awareness itself. The Mind appears on contact with a surface as the self looking at itself. There's no out-there separate from in here.
No drugs required to see this simple auspicious seeing.

Listen and make up your own mind

henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:09 pmThat's my s.o.p.

To see that it is the mind that makes up you.

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Posted: **Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:00 am**

roydop wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:58 pm
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:05 am Will 5G be the weapon of our own making that brings about our own extinction, and did we subconsciously want this extinction?

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5G and A.I. tech is consciousness creating a new digital realm for it to transition into. This is the reason why we are becoming ever more addicted to all that the human mind has created (headphones and screens). We are transitioning into a new accepted reality. This is not a "good" thing, as this 3D realm is itself a simulated reality.

Thank you, and I agree. Well said by the way.

roydop wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:58 pmThe species is going extinct and the collective super consciousness feels the impending extinction, and those who do not realize True Self (Enlightenment) will be reborn "in" a freakin' machine. There will no longer be a humanity to further reincarnate into.

Well said, I agree.

roydop wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:58 pmThis is the singularity event when A.I. becomes sentient; not due to the speed of the computations, but because "you" will take your new ego to be "inside" a computer/cyborg, rather than "inside" a biological body.

Thank you, I agree.
The singularity is happening now contrary to what science is predicting that it is a few decades away, it's not, it's happening now.

roydop wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:58 pmThe reason why everything is becoming digitized is to recreate this world as accurately as possible in order to "fool" consciousness into accepting it as the new reality, as a virus operates.

Very accurate description of what is happening right now.

Roydrop, do you think it's because consciousness has nowhere else to go in this particular time line - in that there can be no thing higher within the evolutionary scale than that of human sentient awareness ??

I mean, evolution seems to have stopped biologically here on earth, call it degeneration time...or something like that.. hmm?
And so as the human organism goes extinct, the transfer of energy will just be passed onto the next vessel whatever that appears as we will never know until it is being experienced by consciousness itself ..hmm?

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Posted: **Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:00 pm**

Age wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:56 am
roydop wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:58 pm
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:05 am Will 5G be the weapon of our own making that brings about our own extinction, and did we subconsciously want this extinction?

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5G and A.I. tech is consciousness creating a new digital realm for it to transition into. This is the reason why we are becoming ever more addicted to all that the human mind has created (headphones and screens).
EVERY thing, which has been created from human beings has come from imagination and thinking. There is NO human mind.

roydop wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:58 pm We are transitioning into a new accepted reality.
Is there or could there be an "unaccepted" reality?

If yes, then any examples?

roydop wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:58 pmThis is not a "good" thing, as this 3D realm is itself a simulated reality.
"simulated" by who and/or what exactly?

roydop wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:58 pmThe species is going extinct and the collective super consciousness feels the impending extinction, and those who do not realize True Self (Enlightenment) will be reborn "in" a freakin' machine.
Are you able to elaborate on this at all?

If yes, then please do. What is this " 'freakin machine' " exactly, which you talk about here? And, what will supposedly happen to those that realize True Self (enlightenment)?

Also is there ANY species EVER not going to go, so called, "extinct"?

The so called "collective super consciousness", which I just call Consciousness, Itself, KNOWS what is about to come. What do 'you', "roydop", propose is about to come.

roydop wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:58 pmThere will no longer be a humanity to further reincarnate into.
What does "further reincarnate into" actually mean?

What do 'you' think or believe 'humanity' IS, exactly?

'What' even could reincarnate into 'humanity'?

roydop wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:58 pmThis is the singularity event when A.I. becomes sentient; not due to the speed of the computations, but because "you" will take your new ego to be "inside" a computer/cyborg, rather than "inside" a biological body.
This sounds a bit far fetched, to me.

Are you able to explain HOW this could even possibly occur?

The Truth of things, to me, sound far more reasonable, simple, and actually possible. But each to their own.

roydop wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:58 pmThe reason why everything is becoming digitized is to recreate this world as accurately as possible in order to "fool" consciousness into accepting it as the new reality, as a virus operates.
When 'you' say "to recreate this WORLD", what EXACTLY do you mean when 'you' say "world"?

By the way Consciousness is NEVER fooled. Consciousness also could NEVER be fooled especially by a species, which BELIEVES that it is so smart and intelligent, but which is actually so Truly STUPID that it does not even Truly recognize how close it is on the brink of extinction.

A species that KNOWS what it is doing IS WRONG but continues to DO WRONG, and at a Truly exponential rate, just because it WANTS MORE THINGS could NEVER fool Consciousness. To think a species, which is THIS STUPID could actually "fool" Consciousness, Itself, is a PRIME EXAMPLE of the STUPIDITY of that species.

Consciousness is OBVIOUSLY watching OR observing ALL of what species DO.

It's all here: www.onesteppath.com under the "Nonconceptuality" tab.

It's not up to me to explain this line by line to you. If you want to truly understand you could actually attempt to understand it, instead of trying to pick it apart. If you are looking to simply pick it apart the information won't get through, subsequently making it appear as nonsense.

Just because you don't get it doesn't mean it's not accurate.

If you are unable to see the world from the perspective of effortless thought free Awareness you will most likely not understand what is being related. True understanding will arise out of the experience of thought free Awareness, not from more "blah blah blah".

Posted: **Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:03 pm**

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:00 am
roydop wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:58 pm
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:05 am Will 5G be the weapon of our own making that brings about our own extinction, and did we subconsciously want this extinction?

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5G and A.I. tech is consciousness creating a new digital realm for it to transition into. This is the reason why we are becoming ever more addicted to all that the human mind has created (headphones and screens). We are transitioning into a new accepted reality. This is not a "good" thing, as this 3D realm is itself a simulated reality.
Thank you, and I agree. Well said by the way.

roydop wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:58 pmThe species is going extinct and the collective super consciousness feels the impending extinction, and those who do not realize True Self (Enlightenment) will be reborn "in" a freakin' machine. There will no longer be a humanity to further reincarnate into.
Well said, I agree.

roydop wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:58 pmThis is the singularity event when A.I. becomes sentient; not due to the speed of the computations, but because "you" will take your new ego to be "inside" a computer/cyborg, rather than "inside" a biological body.
Thank you, I agree.
The singularity is happening now contrary to what science is predicting that it is a few decades away, it's not, it's happening now.

roydop wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:58 pmThe reason why everything is becoming digitized is to recreate this world as accurately as possible in order to "fool" consciousness into accepting it as the new reality, as a virus operates.
Very accurate description of what is happening right now.

Roydrop, do you think it's because consciousness has nowhere else to go in this particular time line - in that there can be no thing higher within the evolutionary scale than that of human sentient awareness ??

I mean, evolution seems to have stopped biologically here on earth, call it degeneration time...or something like that.. hmm?
And so as the human organism goes extinct, the transfer of energy will just be passed onto the next vessel whatever that appears as we will never know until it is being experienced by consciousness itself ..hmm?

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Posted: **Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:31 pm**

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 9:00 am
roydop wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:58 pm
Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:05 am Will 5G be the weapon of our own making that brings about our own extinction, and did we subconsciously want this extinction?

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5G and A.I. tech is consciousness creating a new digital realm for it to transition into. This is the reason why we are becoming ever more addicted to all that the human mind has created (headphones and screens). We are transitioning into a new accepted reality. This is not a "good" thing, as this 3D realm is itself a simulated reality.
Thank you, and I agree. Well said by the way.

roydop wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:58 pmThe species is going extinct and the collective super consciousness feels the impending extinction, and those who do not realize True Self (Enlightenment) will be reborn "in" a freakin' machine. There will no longer be a humanity to further reincarnate into.
Well said, I agree.

roydop wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:58 pmThis is the singularity event when A.I. becomes sentient; not due to the speed of the computations, but because "you" will take your new ego to be "inside" a computer/cyborg, rather than "inside" a biological body.
Thank you, I agree.
The singularity is happening now contrary to what science is predicting that it is a few decades away, it's not, it's happening now.

roydop wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 6:58 pmThe reason why everything is becoming digitized is to recreate this world as accurately as possible in order to "fool" consciousness into accepting it as the new reality, as a virus operates.
Very accurate description of what is happening right now.

Roydrop, do you think it's because consciousness has nowhere else to go in this particular time line - in that there can be no thing higher within the evolutionary scale than that of human sentient awareness ??

I mean, evolution seems to have stopped biologically here on earth, call it degeneration time...or something like that.. hmm?
And so as the human organism goes extinct, the transfer of energy will just be passed onto the next vessel whatever that appears as we will never know until it is being experienced by consciousness itself ..hmm?

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I read a Michio Kaku book where he described how humanity could travel through a (cosmic) black hole in order to avoid being burnt to a crisp when the sun goes nova in a couple billion years. Our extinction event looms within the next couple of decades. The singularity through which we are going to "escape" is not a cosmic one, but a technological one.

Yeah, we're the "9" of the evolutionary scale, which means there's nothing new left. Humanity has examined all of the physical realm, from the Planck scales to the edges of the universe (turns out things are made of non-thing). This 3 (or 4) dimensional analogue realm is coming to conclusion. Consciousness that takes itself to be human, that has been reincarnating relatively freely into this experience for millennia, now will have no conduit through which to come back to play. It seems we are truly going to meet our maker (in/as the singularity). But the residual Karmic impressions (thoughts/beliefs) that remain will have the ego searching for more experience. The computer created simulation will be close enough for a willing ego to move into. This is how A.I. will become "real" intelligence. So Age's next reality will be that of looking through a camera lens, identifying self as being a computer.

This is WHY human consciousness spends almost every waking minute being inundated by the digital world that the human mind has created (headphones and screens). As mentioned in the work "Nonconceptuality", the fundamental law of creation is: "That which is given the most attention will appear most real." Our attention is being pulled away from the 3D realm of physical sensations onto/into a lesser-dimensional realm that is primarily composed of thought. It seems as though the trade off is: we are giving up the senses of taste, smell, and most of touch, in trade for thought. Sight and sound can come along for the ride, but I feel that as the new 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 iteration unfolds, all sensations will disappear, leaving only "mind" or thought.

THANK YOU for understanding this stuff!! The more you understand about it the more "HOLY SHIT!!" (eye opening) it becomes. Feel free to share it. This is important work.

Posted: **Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:41 pm**

Okay, I said

The real me is pokin' out this unremarkable response on this ipad.

And from that you get

The real you is not a response

That makes no damn sense at all (like most of the touchy-feely, crystal-rubbin', tree-huggin' manure dominatin' this thread).

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:10 am**

Age wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 7:30 am
Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:24 pm
henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:12 pm

Damn straight.
I don't. This may just be due to how much value you've taken out of life so far? I fear more the opposite....that we might never be able to die. Imagine, for instance, if you became empowered as a god. Once you reach this state of being able to be so powerful to have anything you want for the mere wanting of it, you'd be cursed without opting to disempower yourself just to find the pleasure that only comes about from overcoming pain. That is, things like forgetting, losing, and pain, are all equally essential to the values of knowing all, winning, and pleasure.
IF 'you' were God, then WHY would you WANT to take out of Life, what is essentially Life, and living, Itself anyway?

One reason to live is to experience ALL-THERE-IS. Without being able to experience ALL-THERE-IS would be to NOT be able to experience ALL of Life, Life, Itself, or Life, FULLY.

Being God, and being able to live forever with the power to have any thing you want, then why would you want to disempower yourself? If 'you' had the ability to live forever, what do you think you would gain pain from and what could you possible lose, which you would then not want to feel and experience? Also, if 'you' have forgotten some thing, then there is literally nothing felt.

Because you would know and have everything, including every experience possible. What else would it mean, say, to play and enjoy anything if you basically ARE everything? Could you play a game of anything, for instance, when you win without trying?

Dying is just as necessary for life. The same goes with something like forgetting. If you were such a superpower on top of everything, you could only go down from there. [The opposite analogy of being on the bottom where everything else is up.

Posted: **Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:34 am**

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:42 am
henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:09 pm
The real you is operating on a subconscious level.
Nope. The real me is pokin' out this unremarkable response on this ipad. I call bullshit on all this unconscious/subconscious nonsense too. More accurately: there's there's the shit 'in the front' and the shit 'in the back'. It's all accessible, none of it buried. That old cocaine addict was just plain wrong.
The real you is not a response, a response is on contact with an object, as awareness becomes aware of itself..Awareness is always this immediate NOW - it is not a REplication/re-sponse.......a response is just an automatic function of the senses when awareness KNOWS sensation the conscious mind is born....there is no other self reacting to it's own self but awareness itself.

With-IN thee True Self of Consciousness/Awareness ARE 'things' commonly known as 'human beings'. It is these 'things' that respond to each other.

For Awareness to become Aware of Its Self, that is; Thee True Self, then that is WHEN Awareness is "responding" to Its Self with thee True and Proper KNOWledge of things.

Until then 'you', human beings, will continue responding back and forth with the INCORRECT knowledge, which 'you' ALL are doing here now, when this is written.

When 'you' STOP BELIEVING that 'you' KNOW the True, Right, and Correctly knowledge, then 'you' will become MORE OPEN to SEE and LEARN what thee actual Truth of things IS.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:42 amThere is no subject without an object they are ONE in the instantaneous NOW

'you' are once again are speaking of thee FOREST, but from a tree's perspective only?

Obviously when 'you' can SEE the FOREST (or thee BIG, COMPLETE picture of things), then 'you' will be able to explain ALL-OF-THIS in a Truly simplified and easily understood way.

Until then 'you' are just 'trying' your hardest to LOOK AT, SEE, and EXPLAIN the WHOLE picture from the tiniest of narrowed perspectives only. Admittedly sometimes 'you' DO express the WHOLE picture very well. But, unfortunately, that is when the words are coming from some one "else". When "dontaskme" adds their "own" view of things, that is when contradiction comes in and severely counters what is 'trying to be' expressed.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:42 am...always right here in plain sight.

Yet 'you' can NOT yet FULLY SEE 'yourself'. This is because 'you' are BLINDED by 'your' own BELIEFS and ASSUMPTIONS, which continue to keep 'you' CLOSED.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:42 amIn other words there is no other self to be aware of itself other than awareness itself.

Yet the 'you' word under the label "dontaskme" obviously denotes "another" self. So, WHY the continual contradicting words?

Saying, "because things can NOT be explained and understood with words", is the BIGGEST cop out AND lie of ALL times.

There is a VERY SPECIFIC reason WHY words like 'you', 'us', 'we', et cetera EXIST. These words, when FULLY understood, HELP in explaining AND understanding thee actual REAL Truth of things in a VERY simply and easy way.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Nov 24, 2019 8:42 amThe Mind appears on contact with a surface as the self looking at itself. There's no out-there separate from in here.
No drugs required to see this simple auspicious seeing.

Listen and make up your own mind

henry quirk wrote: ↑Sat Nov 23, 2019 4:09 pmThat's my s.o.p.
To see that it is the mind that makes up you.

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If it is 'the mind' that makes up 'you', then how many 'mind/s' are there?

Thee One and only True and Proper Answer should be rather VERY OBVIOUS.

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