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Posted: **Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:33 am**

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:51 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 10:00 am Then what system is divinity within?
You tell me - you are the one who is making divine claims. What system are you within?

Where did I make divine claims? It is Eodnhoj7 who did it.
I am a non-theist.

Posted: **Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:38 am**

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:08 am System is a constant and omnipresent process then falling under one of the definitions of God.

Everything is energy, particles or waves, etc.
These are constant but they are not divine.
So energy, particles and waves are talking to themselves then?

So particles and waves are talking to God?

Your claims of divine and God is based on faith, i.e. no proof nor justified reasons.

Your argument;
Everything is looped, energy, particles or waves, etc.
Loops, energy, particles or waves, etc. are proven to exist.
Therefore God exists.

What kind of stupid argument is that?

Posted: **Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:04 am**

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:38 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:08 am System is a constant and omnipresent process then falling under one of the definitions of God.

Everything is energy, particles or waves, etc.
These are constant but they are not divine.
So energy, particles and waves are talking to themselves then?
So particles and waves are talking to God?

Your claims of divine and God is based on faith, i.e. no proof nor justified reasons.

Your argument;
Everything is looped, energy, particles or waves, etc.
Loops, energy, particles or waves, etc. are proven to exist.
Therefore God exists.

What kind of stupid argument is that?

About an hour ago I was driving home from the gym.

A woman needed help with bus fair and getting home to her kids.

I had barely anything to give her, but I gave her what I had.

Everything about her disgusted me. Her attitude, her dress, her lifestyle...everything.

I gave her what I barely had because that is how divine law operates. Someone asks for help, and even when they may or may not deserve it...you do what you can precisely because you do not know their story.

She might have deserved it, or mostly likely not. Who really knows but God.

Honestly Veritas, shut up....you have no clue what reality is.

Have you gave what you had to someone in need? Even just standing there listening to there life story? Or handed out sandwiches you paid for? Or given your favorite coat? Or ministered to a dying person trying to give comfort while the world is literally trying to euthanize them?

Shut the fuck up you pretentious p****.

Damn religion all you want, damn God for things not working out your way or whatever, but your intellect isn't going to solve an existence that is fundamentally irrational.

Cut it up into whatever categories you want, at the end of the day philosophy is just dealing with the desolate nature of existence...and if you would just shut up and listen to the damned you see on the streets you would realize you have no conception of what true empty horror the majority of the world deals with everyday.

Nobody gives two fucks about Kant.

Posted: **Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:20 am**

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:04 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:38 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 1:08 am System is a constant and omnipresent process then falling under one of the definitions of God.

So energy, particles and waves are talking to themselves then?
So particles and waves are talking to God?

Your claims of divine and God is based on faith, i.e. no proof nor justified reasons.

Your argument;
Everything is looped, energy, particles or waves, etc.
Loops, energy, particles or waves, etc. are proven to exist.
Therefore God exists.

What kind of stupid argument is that?
About an hour ago I was driving home from the gym.

A woman needed help with bus fair and getting home to her kids.

I had barely anything to give her, but I gave her what I had.

Everything about her disgusted me. Her attitude, her dress, her lifestyle...everything.

I gave her what I barely had because that is how divine law operates. Someone asks for help, and even when they may or may not deserve it...you do what you can precisely because you do not know their story.

She might have deserved it, or mostly likely not. Who really knows but God.

Honestly Veritas, shut up....you have no clue what reality is.

Have you gave what you had to someone in need? Even just standing there listening to there life story? Or handed out sandwiches you paid for? Or given your favorite coat? Or ministered to a dying person trying to give comfort while the world is literally trying to euthanize them?

Shut the fuck up you pretentious p****.

Damn religion all you want, damn God for things not working out your way or whatever, but your intellect isn't going to solve an existence that is fundamentally irrational.

Cut it up into whatever categories you want, at the end of the day philosophy is just dealing with the desolate nature of existence...and if you would just shut up and listen to the damned you see on the streets you would realize you have no conception of what true empty horror the majority of the world deals with everyday.

Nobody gives two fucks about Kant.

Note I stated the only valid 'currency' in a philosophy forum is justified arguments.
You gone bankrupt on arguments??

Posted: **Thu Nov 21, 2019 6:24 am**

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:20 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:04 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:38 am
So particles and waves are talking to God?

Your claims of divine and God is based on faith, i.e. no proof nor justified reasons.

Your argument;
Everything is looped, energy, particles or waves, etc.
Loops, energy, particles or waves, etc. are proven to exist.
Therefore God exists.

What kind of stupid argument is that?
About an hour ago I was driving home from the gym.

A woman needed help with bus fair and getting home to her kids.

I had barely anything to give her, but I gave her what I had.

Everything about her disgusted me. Her attitude, her dress, her lifestyle...everything.

I gave her what I barely had because that is how divine law operates. Someone asks for help, and even when they may or may not deserve it...you do what you can precisely because you do not know their story.

She might have deserved it, or mostly likely not. Who really knows but God.

Honestly Veritas, shut up....you have no clue what reality is.

Have you gave what you had to someone in need? Even just standing there listening to there life story? Or handed out sandwiches you paid for? Or given your favorite coat? Or ministered to a dying person trying to give comfort while the world is literally trying to euthanize them?

Shut the fuck up you pretentious p****.

Damn religion all you want, damn God for things not working out your way or whatever, but your intellect isn't going to solve an existence that is fundamentally irrational.

Cut it up into whatever categories you want, at the end of the day philosophy is just dealing with the desolate nature of existence...and if you would just shut up and listen to the damned you see on the streets you would realize you have no conception of what true empty horror the majority of the world deals with everyday.

Nobody gives two fucks about Kant.
Note I stated the only valid 'currency' in a philosophy forum is justified arguments.
You gone bankrupt on arguments??

Life is a dialectic...you will learn this sooner or later....actually you probably won't until old age.

There is no such thing as a valid argument.

Posted: **Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:12 am**

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:20 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:04 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:38 am
So particles and waves are talking to God?

Your claims of divine and God is based on faith, i.e. no proof nor justified reasons.

Your argument;
Everything is looped, energy, particles or waves, etc.
Loops, energy, particles or waves, etc. are proven to exist.
Therefore God exists.

What kind of stupid argument is that?
About an hour ago I was driving home from the gym.

A woman needed help with bus fair and getting home to her kids.

I had barely anything to give her, but I gave her what I had.

Everything about her disgusted me. Her attitude, her dress, her lifestyle...everything.

I gave her what I barely had because that is how divine law operates. Someone asks for help, and even when they may or may not deserve it...you do what you can precisely because you do not know their story.

She might have deserved it, or mostly likely not. Who really knows but God.

Honestly Veritas, shut up....you have no clue what reality is.

Have you gave what you had to someone in need? Even just standing there listening to there life story? Or handed out sandwiches you paid for? Or given your favorite coat? Or ministered to a dying person trying to give comfort while the world is literally trying to euthanize them?

Shut the fuck up you pretentious p****.

Damn religion all you want, damn God for things not working out your way or whatever, but your intellect isn't going to solve an existence that is fundamentally irrational.

Cut it up into whatever categories you want, at the end of the day philosophy is just dealing with the desolate nature of existence...and if you would just shut up and listen to the damned you see on the streets you would realize you have no conception of what true empty horror the majority of the world deals with everyday.

Nobody gives two fucks about Kant.
Note I stated the only valid 'currency' in a philosophy forum is justified arguments.

Absolutely ANY thing can be "justified" by any one. "veritas aequitas" is living proof of this.

Absolutely EVERY argument written by "veritas aequitas" is "justified" to, and by, that one. Although some of those arguments are completely absurd and nonsensical to EVERY one "else", and are obviously invalid and unsound arguments, they are still classed by "veritas aequitas" as "justified arguments".

Arguments can be valid or sound, but these arguments are NOT necessarily justified. Human beings, however, can and do PLACE a perception of "justification" on any thing, including arguments.

But only what IS Truly Just can be Truly justified. A Truly justified argument is just one, which can be justified by EVERY one. Although any human being can "justify" any thing to them self, only a Truly sound AND valid argument would be a Truly justified argument. After all only a sound AND valid argument could NOT be refuted by any one, anyway.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:20 amYou gone bankrupt on arguments?

Posted: **Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:44 am**

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:33 am Where did I make divine claims? It is Eodnhoj7 who did it.
I am a non-theist.

You are making claims about The Universe.

To make any such a claims you must place yourself at a vantage point OUTSIDE of "The Universe". It's exactly where God lives.

Your claim is divine in as much as it requires a divine perspective.

Posted: **Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:53 am**

Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:44 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 4:33 am Where did I make divine claims? It is Eodnhoj7 who did it.
I am a non-theist.
You are making claims about The Universe.

To make any such a claims you must place yourself at a vantage point OUTSIDE of "The Universe". It's exactly where God lives.

Your claim is divine in as much as it requires a divine perspective.

Nah, I am merely relying on faith on empirical knowledge produced by scientists who relied on the Scientific Method. Scientific knowledge is the most reliable knowledge subject to its assumption, limitations and conditions. It is objective because anyone can test and verify them based on the standard Scientific Method.

Empirical knowledge is based purely on observations and experiences of human beings, it has nothing to do with the divine or knowledge from the divine.

Posted: **Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:55 am**

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:53 am Nah, I am merely relying on faith on empirical knowledge produced by scientists who relied on the Scientific Method. Scientific knowledge is the most reliable knowledge subject to its assumption, limitations and conditions. It is objective because anyone can test and verify them based on the standard Scientific Method.

Empirical knowledge is based purely on observations and experiences of human beings, it has nothing to do with the divine or knowledge from the divine.

No scientist I know has ever stepped outside of the Universe in order to study it.

Posted: **Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:57 am**

Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:55 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:53 am Nah, I am merely relying on faith on empirical knowledge produced by scientists who relied on the Scientific Method. Scientific knowledge is the most reliable knowledge subject to its assumption, limitations and conditions. It is objective because anyone can test and verify them based on the standard Scientific Method.

Empirical knowledge is based purely on observations and experiences of human beings, it has nothing to do with the divine or knowledge from the divine.
No scientist I know has ever stepped outside of the Universe in order to study it.

That is the point, I relied on faith on the scientists, so why are you accusing me of stepping outside the Universe to study it in a divine manner?

Posted: **Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:58 am**

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:04 amAbout an hour ago I was driving home from the gym.

A woman needed help with bus fair and getting home to her kids.

I had barely anything to give her, but I gave her what I had.

Everything about her disgusted me. Her attitude, her dress, her lifestyle...everything.

I gave her what I barely had because that is how divine law operates. Someone asks for help, and even when they may or may not deserve it...you do what you can precisely because you do not know their story.

She might have deserved it, or mostly likely not. Who really knows but God.

Beautiful!

Posted: **Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:00 am**

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:57 am That is the point, I relied on faith on the scientists

Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts --Richard Feynman

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:57 am why are you accusing me of stepping outside the Universe to study it in a divine manner?

Because you are making claims about it.

Science studies things by observation e.g the observer is always on the "outside" of that which is being observed.

How can science study The Universe if all scientists are are on the inside of the test subject? You have necessarily gone too far in your own mind to even imagine The Universe as a subject of scientific observation.

You've gone where Epistemology doesn't allow you to go.

Posted: **Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:32 am**

Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:00 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:57 am That is the point, I relied on faith on the scientists
Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts --Richard Feynman

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:57 am why are you accusing me of stepping outside the Universe to study it in a divine manner?
Because you are making claims about it.

Science studies things by observation e.g the observer is always on the "outside" of that which is being observed.

How can science study The Universe if all scientists are are on the inside of the test subject? You have necessarily gone too far in your own mind to even imagine The Universe as a subject of scientific observation.

Scientific knowledge is at best polished conjectures - Karl Popper.

So what?
What counts is whether the polished conjectures are objective, useful or not.

The Universe is all of space and time[a] and their contents,[10] including planets, stars, galaxies, and all other forms of matter and energy. While the spatial size of the entire Universe is unknown,[3] it is possible to measure the size of the observable universe, which is currently estimated to be 93 billion light-years in diameter.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universe

Nobody else is interested in studying the Universe from an independent standpoint, only you and Eodnhoj7 are doing that from the divine perspective.

Posted: **Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:36 am**

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:32 am What counts is whether the polished conjectures are objective, useful or not.

That's pretty ironic, since there is no such thing as objective utility.

But the utility all conjectures share in common, is (at least) the ability to predict something.

If it doesn't allow you to "see" the future - it's scientifically useless.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 8:32 am Nobody else is interested in studying the Universe from an independent standpoint.

Strawman.

Why do you want to study that which you have defined as "The Universe". From any standpoint?

And do I have to point out to you that "space" and "time" are metaphysical assumptions?

Posted: **Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:10 pm**

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:04 am
About an hour ago I was driving home from the gym.

A woman needed help with bus fair and getting home to her kids.

I had barely anything to give her, but I gave her what I had.

Is "I had barely anything to give her", just a BELIEF that "justifies" one's own self for being the Truly GREEDY human being, which they really ARE?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:04 amEverything about her disgusted me. Her attitude, her dress, her lifestyle...everything.

I have not heard a human being speak from such a holier-than-thou attitude for quite a while now.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:04 amI gave her what I barely had because that is how divine law operates.

Is "I gave her what I barely had" just more "self-justification" for being GREEDY?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:04 amSomeone asks for help, and even when they may or may not deserve it

Is there ANY one who does NOT 'deserve' HELP?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:04 am...you do what you can precisely because you do not know their story.

Is that the only reason?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:04 amShe might have deserved it, or mostly likely not. Who really knows but God.

Is there ABSOLUTELY any one that does not deserves HELP?

Is "mostly likely not" just another holier-than-thou BELIEF.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:04 amHonestly Veritas, shut up....you have no clue what reality is.

Have you gave what you had to someone in need? Even just standing there listening to there life story? Or handed out sandwiches you paid for? Or given your favorite coat? Or ministered to a dying person trying to give comfort while the world is literally trying to euthanize them?

Shut the fuck up you pretentious p****.

Damn religion all you want, damn God for things not working out your way or whatever, but your intellect isn't going to solve an existence that is fundamentally irrational.

What is supposedly "fundamentally irrational about Existence"? To me, there is absolutely NOTHING 'irrational' about Existence, other than some (most?) of what 'you' adult human beings do, in the days of when this is written.

Also, what is there exactly to 'solve' about Existence?

The only things that need solving are the problems that 'you', human beings, are continually creating.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:04 amCut it up into whatever categories you want, at the end of the day philosophy is just dealing with the desolate nature of existence

To me, there is NO desolate nature of Existence. In fact the nature of Existence is absolutely perfectly wonderful AND beautiful.

But absolutely EVERY thing is relative to the observer.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 21, 2019 5:04 am...and if you would just shut up and listen to the damned you see on the streets you would realize you have no conception of what true empty horror the majority of the world deals with everyday.

Nobody gives two fucks about Kant.

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