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Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:41 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:38 am I made my choice.

Keep saying it.

Very good. It's settled. We can move on from the knowledge/belief nonsense.

But HOW can 'you' move on?

You are STUCK in your nonsense and BELIEFS, by BELIEVING that you KNOW what is true and right.

You said you KNOW I have 'beliefs', so until you can prove this to be true, then really HOW can 'you' move on.

If you do NOT prove what you say you KNOW, then what does that actually mean for you?

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:45 am You are STUCK in your nonsense and BELIEFS, by BELIEVING that you KNOW what is true and right.

I have never claimed that?

I merely claim that I know you have beliefs.
I also know that you reject that you have beliefs.

We can agree to disagree.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:45 am You said you KNOW I have 'beliefs', so until you can prove this to be true, then really HOW can 'you' move on.

I have already proven it to myself and everyone else. I can't prove it to you.

You can only choose to understand and comprehend THAT you are the only one who thinks that you don't have beliefs.

And just like that - I move on.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:45 am If you do NOT prove what you say you KNOW, then what does that actually mean for you?

It means that proof is a priori knowledge. If I had to prove it - it wouldn't be knowledge.

I can only justify my knowledge - I can't prove it.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:50 am To me, it appears that you start a thread by stating how some things can be done, but you completely disregard and ignore those things yourself, and just back to your usual and the old slow, complicated, and hard ways of doing things.

You are being uncharitable and you are mis-understanding me.

Try to interpret my words in better light.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:29 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:24 am WHEN did you tell me that you do want to stop hunger and poverty?

Why did I have to tell you this? It is very uncharitable of you to assume that I don't want to stop hunger and poverty.

Can you see just how much of an idiot you are appearing?

You claim things, but then when I ask you to back them up, you then 'try to' go off tangent and 'try to' bring up some completely stupid and idiotic thing.

Asking, "Why did I have to tell you this?" sounds just so childish, especially when it was 'YOU' who specifically asked the clarifying question:
Why would you allude that I don't want to stop hunger and poverty, when I told you that I do?

All I did was then ask you the clarifying question;
When did you tell me that you do want to stop hunger and poverty?

You have a very bad habit and a huge tendency to "behave" in this very immature way of NOT providing the evidence when you are caught out. You can NOT successfully deflect away from what is REALLY and Truly happening here because it is OUR words that can be CLEARLY SEEN and READ. Although you 'TRY' as hard as you can, you can NOT deflect away from what is ALREADY written down.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:29 amIf you want to stop poverty and hunger, why would you even believe that I don't?'

See, just how off track and ridiculous this appears?

You do this immature "behavior" of taking things so far away from the original and adding is so many other wrong things that to 'try to' clear them all up, the original clarifying question that you were asked and which you do not answer and are ignoring just gets forgotten.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:29 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:24 am Also, I NEVER alluded to that you do not want to stop hunger and poverty. But what I did allude to is that 'you' are NOT even fully aware that 'you' are the CAUSE of hunger and poverty.

I don't see how this is possible. Poverty and hunger existed thousands of years before I was born. How can I be the cause of something that happened before I was even born?

It seems that you are being even more ridiculous now.

You wrote and asked:
Well, tell us then. What's the easy way to solve hunger and poverty?

'Trying to' deflect away from and NOT stay on the the main point is some thing that you do regularly.

Although you asked that, you are now 'trying to' deflect and conflate that poverty existed thousands of years before you were born. When you asked me; What is the easy way to solve hunger and poverty? Where you talking about the poverty that existed thousands of years before you were born? Or, the hunger and poverty that exists now, when this is written?

The absolute ridiculousness and stupidity of 'trying to' bring in some thing else and talk about poverty and hunger 'thousands of years ago', now, and then ask how can you be the cause of something that happened before you were born speaks for itself.

I do NOT have to SHOW and explain just how ridiculous and stupid it was 'trying to' do this.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:29 amIt seems you believe that I am guilty by association.

It is obvious just how ridiculous you getting now.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:29 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:24 am I do NOT believe that you are the cause.

I KNOW 'you' are the cause.

Again. This is not very charitable. If I am the cause, are you not the cause also?

OF COURSE.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:29 amYou too are a human. If humans are the cause of hunger, and you are human - then you are the cause of hunger

Yes OF COURSE, I just said that.

Why would 'you' even think otherwise?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:29 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:24 am Who else besides 'you', adult human beings, could be the cause of hunger and poverty?

The universe is the cause? We were born hungry and poor. If we weren't hungry we wouldn't have to hunt&gather.

LOL

What do you mean by 'poor'?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:42 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:41 am You just have to learn HOW to be completely Honest first.

What made you believe that I don't already know HOW to be completely honest?

I do NOT believe this.

I KNOW you do not already know HOW to be completely Honest because of the words you use.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:42 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:41 am Also, your "attempt" at condescending, once again, did NOT work, once again.

What made you believe that I was being condescending?

I do NOT believe that.

And I KNOW that you were NOT being condescending.

What I also KNOW is that you were "attempting" to be condescending.

I KNOW this because, once again, because of the words you use.

Why do you keep ASSUMING things, which are NOT true NOR even right?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:47 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:45 am You are STUCK in your nonsense and BELIEFS, by BELIEVING that you KNOW what is true and right.

I have never claimed that?

I merely claim that I know you have beliefs.

So do you also merely claim that what you know is true and right, or do you merely claim that what you know could be false and wrong?

You fully OPEN and completely Honest answer here would be much appreciated.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:47 am I also know that you reject that you have beliefs.

We can agree to disagree.

We can, but WHY do that?

That saying is just another one of 'you', human beings, "cop outs".

Either I am right or you are right.

You claim to KNOW some thing. Any one who claims to KNOW some thing MUST HAVE some sort of proof and/or evidence for this claim. So, why do you NOT just prove YOUR CLAIM here is true?

Surely it could not be that hard to do?

If you have the evidence and/or proof, then why NOT just bring it to light, for us all to SEE it?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:47 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:45 am You said you KNOW I have 'beliefs', so until you can prove this to be true, then really HOW can 'you' move on.

I have already proven it to myself and everyone else. I can't prove it to you.

"Everyone else" LOL

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:47 amYou can only choose to understand and comprehend THAT you are the only one who thinks that you don't have beliefs.

And you KNOW what?

At the moment, of when this is written, then that is perfect and EXACTLY how I want things to be.

And just like that - I move on.

If you think or believe that so called "moving on" without providing ANY evidence and support for what you claim, especially in a philosophy forum, is how things are done, then you just continue "moving on" the way that you do.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:47 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:45 am If you do NOT prove what you say you KNOW, then what does that actually mean for you?

It means that proof is a priori knowledge. If I had to prove it - it wouldn't be knowledge.

I can only justify my knowledge - I can't prove it.

So, when are you going to 'justify your knowledge' to the readers here?

Or do you believe that you already have?

Considering that you believe that you have proved what you claim here to "everyone else" besides me, then just maybe you do BELIEVE that you have already 'justified your knowledge' to "everyone else" also?

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:26 pm Can you see just how much of an idiot you are appearing?

No. I can't. Why do you believe that I appear an idiot?

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:26 pm You claim things, but then when I ask you to back them up, you then 'try to' go off tangent and 'try to' bring up some completely stupid and idiotic thing.

Asking, "Why did I have to tell you this?" sounds just so childish, especially when it was 'YOU' who specifically asked the clarifying question:
Why would you allude that I don't want to stop hunger and poverty, when I told you that I do?

Correct. Why do you believe that I must I prove to you that I want to stop hunger and poverty?

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:26 pm All I did was then ask you the clarifying question;
When did you tell me that you do want to stop hunger and poverty?

I told you that I didn't tell you. Why do you believe that I have to tell you such things?

If you were charitable you would've ASSUMED that I want the same thing you want. Do you want to stop hunger and poverty?

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:26 pm You have a very bad habit and a huge tendency to "behave" in this very immature way of NOT providing the evidence when you are caught out.

You have this very bad habit of believing that you have "caught me out" doing something. You caught yourself out being uncharitable.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:26 pm You do this immature "behavior" of taking things so far away from the original and adding is so many other wrong things that to 'try to' clear them all up, the original clarifying question that you were asked and which you do not answer and are ignoring just gets forgotten.

Q.E.D

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:26 pm Although you asked that, you are now 'trying to' deflect and conflate that poverty existed thousands of years before you were born. When you asked me; What is the easy way to solve hunger and poverty? Where you talking about the poverty that existed thousands of years before you were born?

I am talking about poverty in general. As it existed before and after I was born.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:26 pm Or, But it was you who claimed that humans are the cause of poverty.

Q.E.D This is something you claimed, not me. I only claimed that humans want to solve it. I did not claim that humans caused it.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:26 pm The absolute ridiculousness and stupidity of 'trying to' bring in some thing else and talk about poverty and hunger 'thousands of years ago', now, and then ask how can you be the cause of something that happened before you were born speaks for itself.

Q.E.D.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:24 am I do NOT believe that you are the cause.

I KNOW 'you' are the cause.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:24 am Yes OF COURSE, I just said that.

Why would 'you' even think otherwise?

Oh OK. I don't know if I am the cause of hunger, but if you know that you are the cause of hunger then can you answer this question:

When did you start causing hunger? The day you were born or shortly after?

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:24 am What do you mean by 'poor'?

Being unable to meet one's needs.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:30 pm I KNOW you do not already know HOW to be completely Honest because of the words you use.

The words I use make me dishonest?

Which of the words you use make you dishonest?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:00 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:50 am To me, it appears that you start a thread by stating how some things can be done, but you completely disregard and ignore those things yourself, and just back to your usual and the old slow, complicated, and hard ways of doing things.

You are being uncharitable and you are mis-understanding me.

So, what exactly am I mis-understanding?

Why are you always seeking 'charity'?

Do you really need the extra help and charity from "others"?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:00 pmTry to interpret my words in better light.

Are you really this incapable of expressing yourself properly and fully. Is that WHY you WANT charity so much?

So do you more or less just want me to 'try to' ASSUME what you are saying and meaning?

'Interpreting' is more or less just assuming anyway.

Interpreting is NEVER clarifying and gaining the absolute and True understanding,

Clarifying and gaining a True and FULL understanding is some thing, which CAN BE DONE on a forum like this, which can not be done in others places.

To me expecting "others" to interpret what one actually means, especially in a two-way communication forum, seems like a real big "cop out" and just and excuse for NOT being able to fully explain what it is that they are really wanting to.

You start a thread, and as you typically do, you end up twisting things around so much that you end up arguing against your own original points, just in your quest to ALWAYS appear to be right.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:55 pm You start a thread, and as you typically do, you end up twisting things around so much that you end up arguing against your own original points, just in your quest to ALWAYS appear to be right.

Q.E.D this is an uncharitable interpretation of my intentions.

Especially since I have told you (over and over again) that my quest is not to be right. My quest to be less wrong.

And especially since I pointed out in the OP itself that the goal of this is not to decide who is "wrong".

You appear to be the one who's stuck in the "right" and "wrong" mindset.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:50 pm So, what exactly am I mis-understanding?

I don't know what you are mis-understanding. Do you expect me to read your mind?

It is on you to decide if you actually want to understand, and it is on you to understand what it is that you are mis-understanding. It's not on me to correct your mis-understanding.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:50 pm Why are you always seeking 'charity'?

Because you are working really hard at being uncharitable. I am asking you to stop.

But that is entirely your choice.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:50 pm Do you really need the extra help and charity from "others"?

No. I don't. I only ask for it, you don't have to give it.

Despite your unpleasantness and uncharitability, I am being the better human in talking to you where I could simply ignore you.

I am enduring you. You could thank me for not ignoring you (like everybody else). But you don't have to.

Either way - you are unpleasant and unthankful to talk to.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:50 pm Are you really this incapable of expressing yourself properly and fully. Is that WHY you WANT charity so much?

I am perfectly capable of expressing myself. I am incapable of stopping you from being uncharitable.

Q.E.D This is called a loaded question. You are being uncharitable in asking it.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:50 pm So do you more or less just want me to 'try to' ASSUME what you are saying and meaning?

That is a very uncharitable interpretation of my desires.

Don't forget to address this point:

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:30 pm I KNOW you do not already know HOW to be completely Honest because of the words you use.

Which of the words I use make me dishonest?
Which of the words you use make you dishonest?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:09 pm Don't forget to address this point:

Considering just how many points you "forget" to address or purposely do not address, it seems rather hypocritical of you to say such a thing here now.

But anyway,

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:09 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:30 pm I KNOW you do not already know HOW to be completely Honest because of the words you use.

Which of the words I use make me dishonest?

The words you add into your responses, which deflect away from what I actual wrote and asked you to clarify.

The words you use to not admit your mistakes or wrong doing and use to blame something else and excuse your yourself.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:30 pmWhich of the words you use make you dishonest?

None of them that I am aware of.

Do you KNOW of any?

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 12:30 pm

Which of the words you use make you dishonest?

None of them that I am aware of.

Do you KNOW of any?

Yes, but you already KNOW the answer. You said it yourself.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:41 pm The words you add into your responses, which deflect away from what I actual wrote and asked you to clarify.

The words you use to not admit your mistakes or wrong doing and use to blame something else and excuse your yourself.

Those are EXACTLY the words which make you dishonest also!