Philosophy Now Forum

jayjacobus wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 7:08 pm What is spin and how does it work?

Is it effective?

It seems to be a way of controlling thinking or persuading.

I think that many people are not aware of spin, spinning techniques and how to deal with it.

I can start a thread with a stated purpose but do I really have that purpose or am I setting up the participants?

henry quirk wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 2:45 pm "When there is a dispute between 2 factions in government, shouldn't they be required to accept binding arbitration like the rest of us?"

I'd rather put the opposing factions in a sealed auditorium and have 'em go at it with baseball bats and razors.

Broadcast it on pay for view.

HexHammer wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:52 am

jayjacobus wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 7:08 pm What is spin and how does it work?

Is it effective?

It seems to be a way of controlling thinking or persuading.

I think that many people are not aware of spin, spinning techniques and how to deal with it.

I can start a thread with a stated purpose but do I really have that purpose or am I setting up the participants?

Apparently you don't possess basic philosophical skill like the rest of the bunch here, looking up stuff and study on your own, but need other as an external brain, but sit with glaringly ignorant people so it ends up blind leading blind.

jayjacobus wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 4:20 pm I try to post without listening to my beliefs. Other people allow their beliefs to drive their arguments. In my opinion this is a weak way to argue because it appeals only to people who share those beliefs. It convinces nobody else and may strengthen opposing opinions.

The above post, by the hex, is driven by the poster's false belief that he is superior to everyone else. It seems unlikely to me that he can make a valid philosophical argument

11011 wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 9:23 pm i think intent is very important to spin, and is what separates it from other things, and also gives it its negative connotation. in spin there is a knowing intent to deceive, that is the person knows what actually happened or what something actually means and they intentionally misrepresent it.

but misrepresentation in and of itself, positive or negative, is actually quite commonplace as people often cannot be objective or are otherwise disposed to distortion in recalling events or claims.

spin though is like intentional distortion. media are often a good example of this. ever notice when you google something that might appear in a news article, the titles of such articles often portray the content in the article in a funny way in retrospect? or gives the wrong impression, after reading it? so to attract attention (deceptive intent) people deliberately exaggerate claims or findings in the headline, as if the writers are banking on their audience not reading it - or rather it would be for the better as they'd accept the preferred message.

but then they give some details in the article that are more clarifying, in part to perhaps divorce themselves of responsibility if people do choose to just read the title and accept it at face value, as it'd then be their fault for not reading further - which is partly true.

but again it comes down to intent. why did you provide a skewed title? why make it difficult to get the facts? why not just give a title that reflect what you write below dumbass? all intentionally naive rhetorical questions.

however there is another layer to this, and probably even more after as well. but in presenting information this way, it allows audiences, who are also intent on spin as they pass the information on, to, without assuming full responsibility, misrepresent, to the extent their agendas are in line with the writers', since they are merely relaying what the title says.

so at each step people are distorting and covering their ass. that is spin.

HexHammer wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 8:54 pm

jayjacobus wrote: ↑Tue May 07, 2019 4:20 pm I try to post without listening to my beliefs. Other people allow their beliefs to drive their arguments. In my opinion this is a weak way to argue because it appeals only to people who share those beliefs. It convinces nobody else and may strengthen opposing opinions.

The above post, by the hex, is driven by the poster's false belief that he is superior to everyone else. It seems unlikely to me that he can make a valid philosophical argument

It's not a matter of "belief" but a matter of comprehending the concept of philosophy! If you were at a business meeting you wouldn't have glaringly ignorant coworkers, why are we here? What's the topic? Who are these guys? Such ignorants should be fired IMMEDIATELY!!!!!!

You don't have very basic philosophy skills (like the rest of the cozy chatters around here) go read up on psychology. Right now you are so ignorant that you have the mental aptitude of a 14 year kid!

Walker wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 7:44 am Spin is misdirection, e.g., P.C. focus on the possibility of Islamophobia, rather than focusing on the reality of “Christophobia.”

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Archbishop Says Christians Slaughtered ‘Like Chickens’ in Nigeria

A Nigerian archbishop has decried the slaughter of Christians in his country and the media silence surrounding it, declaring that “Christians are being killed like chickens.”

https://www.breitbart.com/africa/2019/0 ... n-nigeria/#

jayjacobus wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 9:09 pm One of the effects of spin is drawing people away from one subject and onto another subject.

jayjacobus wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 9:09 pm So, how did the Russians use that tactic to influence people's train of thought?

jayjacobus wrote: ↑Fri May 03, 2019 9:09 pm Has that tactic been noticed?