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Impenitent wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 12:41 am god died in 1882...

-Imp

lol, a sad year ;-(

seeds wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 2:23 am


The writers of the Bible and Quran certainly did.

indeed so!

seeds wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 2:23 am In which case, you need to take up your complaint with them, not God.
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yep

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:53 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 12:52 am To kill God you would have to kill man as the nature of God is argued through man.

The death of God is a reflection of the a cynicism within the place of man in light of an industrial revolution that replaced him.

God and the human condition are inseperable.

Not cynicism. Realism.

Only those into supernaturalstupid thinking will think there is a real supernatural God.

Regards
DL

I still do not "Get you" *what you believe"- known you for a decade now - know you are a Believer - unlike me.

and hate Torah God as blood creature (my view also) - you seem to ignore the Minor Prophet view of that God unlike me, and I'm still clueless in the God you believe in as a Gnostic Christian.

as you know by now, I'm an Atheist.....................just still clueless as to the nature of the God you beleive in.

and as always welcome understanding.

hope you are well and Happy New Year Sir!

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:09 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:03 pm

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 2:18 pm

An imaginary/fantasy character that is created by the minds of men and often used in fraud.

Regards
DL

So not God then.

Have you seen any Gods lately?

Neither have I and that is why I do not think any exists.

If there is a God, he/she/it is quite rude for ignoring us, given all that has been sacrificed and offered up for him/her/it.

Regards
DL

yes the "if you see the budda in front of you kill him".

but i know you are not an Athiest Sir, so be why post as an Atheist above?

HexHammer wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:27 pm
A muslim hadith (minor prophecy) foretells of no one visiting the Kaaba.

interesting, thanks for this. can you tell me more about the Hadith?

curious, if not its ok. i thank you for the above nonetheless.

gaffo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:53 am

HexHammer wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:27 pm
A muslim hadith (minor prophecy) foretells of no one visiting the Kaaba.

interesting, thanks for this. can you tell me more about the Hadith?

curious, if not its ok. i thank you for the above nonetheless.

Here's the exact part of the vid https://youtu.be/E6TDkk5Vu8A?t=4411

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6TDkk5Vu8A

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:26 am

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:29 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:15 pm
Elaborate.

Simply stated, those who base a belief on the supernatural are living in a delusional state and giving imaginary characters authority.

That thinking is what has gifted us with inquisitions and jihads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvBxFXQy7-M

Regards
DL

And what is a supernatural being?

the name is self explanatory--

FNS

Frank N Stein wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:57 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:26 am

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:29 pm

Simply stated, those who base a belief on the supernatural are living in a delusional state and giving imaginary characters authority.

That thinking is what has gifted us with inquisitions and jihads.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvBxFXQy7-M

Regards
DL

And what is a supernatural being?

the name is self explanatory--

FNS

Actually it isn't we are not all stuck in your head.

gaffo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:47 am

Greatest I am wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:53 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 29, 2018 12:52 am To kill God you would have to kill man as the nature of God is argued through man.

The death of God is a reflection of the a cynicism within the place of man in light of an industrial revolution that replaced him.

God and the human condition are inseperable.

Not cynicism. Realism.

Only those into supernaturalstupid thinking will think there is a real supernatural God.

Regards
DL

I still do not "Get you" *what you believe"- known you for a decade now - know you are a Believer - unlike me.

and hate Torah God as blood creature (my view also) - you seem to ignore the Minor Prophet view of that God unlike me, and I'm still clueless in the God you believe in as a Gnostic Christian.

as you know by now, I'm an Atheist.....................just still clueless as to the nature of the God you beleive in.

and as always welcome understanding.

hope you are well and Happy New Year Sir!

Same to you with my belated greetings.

I am not a believer the way others believe. That label usually denotes believers in some supernatural fantasy.

My God is one of the easiest for all to understand. He is named the same as your God, should you choose to step up. I am.

Modern Gnostic Christians name our god "I am", and yes, we do mean ourselves.

You are your controller. I am mine. You represent and present whatever mind picture you have of your God or ideal human, and so do I.

The name "I Am" you might see as meaning something like, --- I think I have grown up thanks to having forced my apotheosis through Gnosis and meditation.

In Gnostic Christianity, we follow the Christian tradition that lazy Christians have forgotten that they are to do. That is, become brethren to Jesus.

That is why some say that the only good Christian is a Gnostic Christian.

Here is the real way to salvation that Jesus taught.

Matthew 6:22 The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Allan Watts explain those quotes in detail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alRNbes ... r_embedded

Joseph Campbell shows the same esoteric ecumenist idea in this link.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGx4IlppSgU

The bible just plainly says to put away the things of children. The supernatural and literal reading of myths.

Are you ready to step up and claim your right to rule yourself my friend?

Regards
DL

HexHammer wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 4:56 pm

gaffo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:53 am

HexHammer wrote: ↑Mon Dec 31, 2018 3:27 pm
A muslim hadith (minor prophecy) foretells of no one visiting the Kaaba.

interesting, thanks for this. can you tell me more about the Hadith?

curious, if not its ok. i thank you for the above nonetheless.

Here's the exact part of the vid https://youtu.be/E6TDkk5Vu8A?t=4411

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6TDkk5Vu8A

I just took a quick peek and what this man shows as bad news, I hear as good news in terms of the development and growth towards the perfection of mankind.

He seems unhappy that people will rise to stand on their own instead of kneeling to some invisible fantasy God.

He want glory in slavery instead of glory in liberty.

God damn all those religionists who wish to be slaves. Christians and Muslims, and would wish the same slavish ways in us all.

Regards
DL

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:50 pm

Frank N Stein wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:57 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 30, 2018 4:26 am

And what is a supernatural being?

the name is self explanatory--

FNS

Actually it isn't we are not all stuck in your head.

So it's not a supernatural being you were asking about then? If someone asked 'what is an obese person?' The only answer you can really give is 'a person who is obese' (or any appropriate synonyms).

gaffo wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 3:26 am Dawkins is a hack! *mindless one shouthing "fire" in the theater.....to sell his books.

Dawkins assumes the only OT YHWH is the one in the Torah.

well its not, there is another YHWH - the one in the other 1/2 of the Old Testement - the one written about by the Minor Prophets.

Amos/ job/ Habbicook////////20 other works! which Dawkins does not note and probably never read of.



snipped the rest since you refer to Dawkins a hack who knows nothing about the OT, nor its "God".

welcome clear and objective discussion about YHWH outside of Dawkin's views however.

I' m an athiest BTW (if that matters you) - i value honest education/discussion of such matters - that leaves Dawkins out.

So you're not a Dawkins fan, huh?
Well, just because you don't like him, doesn't mean he's wrong.

QuantumT wrote: ↑Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:29 pm
So you're not a Dawkins fan, huh?
Well, just because you don't like him, doesn't mean he's wrong.

I see Dawkins as mostly right while I think he should spend a bit more time trying to recognize the benefits of religions and why they are so prevalent.

He attacks them as well as I do, if I might brag a bit, but is shy on recognizing their worth the way other atheists do who are creating atheist churches to try to protect their children from the immoral mainstream churches that will draw them if the atheist parents do not find some other way of appeasing their tribal/fellowship needs.

Regards
DL

Frank N Stein wrote: ↑Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:50 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:50 pm

Frank N Stein wrote: ↑Tue Jan 01, 2019 6:57 pm

the name is self explanatory--

FNS

Actually it isn't we are not all stuck in your head.

So it's not a supernatural being you were asking about then? If someone asked 'what is an obese person?' The only answer you can really give is 'a person who is obese' (or any appropriate synonyms).

Actually if I ask what is a an obese person?

1. A person that is obese.

2. Person is x

3. Obese is y.

4. X is x1 with x1 existing through a further progression of definition.

5. Y is y1 with y1 existing through a further progression of definition.

6. A person as x = x1 that is obese as y = y1.

7. Sentence 6 is defined through further variations of x1 is y1, x2 is y1, etc.

8. And continues where a person that is obese is also a man or woman that is has too much fat or muscle, a human being which is unhealthy, etc.

9. Do you want me to continue?



So what is supernatural?

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:49 pm

Frank N Stein wrote: ↑Fri Jan 04, 2019 8:50 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 04, 2019 4:50 pm
Actually it isn't we are not all stuck in your head.

So it's not a supernatural being you were asking about then? If someone asked 'what is an obese person?' The only answer you can really give is 'a person who is obese' (or any appropriate synonyms).

Actually if I ask what is a an obese person?

1. A person that is obese.

2. Person is x

3. Obese is y.

4. X is x1 with x1 existing through a further progression of definition.

5. Y is y1 with y1 existing through a further progression of definition.

6. A person as x = x1 that is obese as y = y1.

7. Sentence 6 is defined through further variations of x1 is y1, x2 is y1, etc.

8. And continues where a person that is obese is also a man or woman that is has too much fat or muscle, a human being which is unhealthy, etc.

9. Do you want me to continue?



So what is supernatural?

As I pointed out before, the word is self-explanatory.