attofishpi wrote: ↑Fri Dec 28, 2018 11:05 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:36 amYou still don't get it. Do you understand the logical fallacy when one complained metaphorically, we cannot mix 'oranges' with 'apples' in a logical argument?
Of course I understand your use of a metaphor, what, do you think I am a retard? I am simply stating that you are also fallacious in your insistence that something considered
metaphysical can never be
empirically proven.
I say you are the one who is fallacious in your thinking.
I think you have the wrong misconception with the term 'metaphysics.'
Physics is a scientific subject thus imperatively empirical.
What is beyond normal physics is speculative physics which is still empirically possible.
Now, the term 'metaphysics' is meta-physics, i.e. beyond physics.
As stated above, what is beyond physics [normal] is speculative physics.
What is generally understood as metaphysics is also beyond speculative physics, but it is non-empirical, e.g. the non-empirical soul, god and the likes.
If what you think is empirical possible and within the properties of Physics, then that should be speculative physics or physics fiction.
Because metaphysics is deemed to be
non-empirical, it cannot be equated nor proven within
empirical Science.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:36 amYour views are that of an intellectual retard is the sense you rejected and denounced references from whatever the sources. It is a standard and imperative in any intellectual academic presentation to present the necessary references from relevant sources. For the thousands of academic books and articles I have read, they all have a bibliography and notes at the end of the article and books.
In the above you even condemn my reference to my own argument made within the forum.
All you have done within this thread is post a bunch of links to external sources.
You have not made ONE argument using your own wording. If you actually think that is the way academia operate, I think you need to change schools.
Nope I have argued logically and rationally in an overview basis why your conclusion is fallacious, i.e. equivocation.
I have linked to my own argument within this forum i.e. "why God is an impossibility to be real" and supported it with external sources.
Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:36 amThe idea of God is never scientific nor empirically possible.
The idea of God is not even rationally possible, but rather it is pseudo-rational as driven by terrible psychological impulses within the individual.
Einstein believed in a non-personal God like that of Spinoza but he did not claimed his God is empirically possible except that it can be inferred by reason not empiricism.
Btw, you totally ignored my point, the idea of God is driven by one's psychology. When a theist can handle those theistic related psychological impulses maturedly, s/he will be weaned off the idea of God and be freed from its baggage.
Except that I as an individual have be made aware of God\'Gods' existence - over a 20 year period of direct and personal evidence.
As I am fully aware that there is a 3rd party intelligence that is the backbone to reality, I do believe that one day, and likely via a physicist, this 'God' will be empirically proven to exist.
Note many mad people, those with brain damage, taken drugs/hallucinations, etc. also have direct and personal experiences of God.
There are tons of evidences to support the above point.
How do you know, your direct experience of God has nothing to do some issues in your brain or the general psychological impulses of the existential crisis?
You need to do research in this area.
Getting back on track as per my OP:-
Entropy dictates that a 'God' will exist eventually. It has been an argument of mine - on point 2. 'God' as A.I. ....for many years.
1. God is divine, formed its own intelligence and our reality from the chaos of the early universe.
2. 'God' as an intelligence was created by intelligence species, perhaps us, created in order for us to exist within a far more efficient reality. A.I.
Do provide YOUR counter argument to the point 2. A.I. 'God' resulting from the progression of entropy.
I find you argument above nonsensical, thus I presented my generalized argument, i.e. you cannot equivocate the non-empirical metaphysics with empirical Science.
Rephrasing your point 2;
2. 'God' as an intelligence was created by intelligence species, perhaps us [humans], created in order for us [humans] to exist within a far more efficient reality. A.I.
You did not define 'God' as intended in your argument.
God is generally taken to be the intelligent creator of the whole universe.
How can this fit in with your ridiculous point 2?
You imply God was created by humans, and this human created God who created the universe, humans and an efficient reality AI.
You stated,
"
Entropy dictates that a 'God' will exist eventually."
Where is your detailed argument for this?
Since you did not present any convincing argument, thus I provided you links from google and also the related counter-arguments.
Btw, I do not want to waste time on the above ridiculous arguments.
My focus is;
- 1. Empirical Science cannot be equivocated with a non-empirical Metaphysical/ontological God.
2. The emergent of the idea of God is from one's own terrible existential psychology and should be resolved on the basis of such psychology.