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Veritas Aequitas wrote:
The thoughts and data that arise from the brain / mind must be processed to establish their veridicity
One stage in the processing is what I had labelled as beliefs
The point is you cannot ignore this process which I labelled as beliefs which are definitely not truths

I do not ignore the process just the part you label beliefs which I do not need since it serves no purpose
Every other part of the processing is acceptable as it can be justified and potentially become knowledge

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:08 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote:
The thoughts and data that arise from the brain / mind must be processed to establish their veridicity
One stage in the processing is what I had labelled as beliefs
The point is you cannot ignore this process which I labelled as beliefs which are definitely not truths

I do not ignore the process just the part you label beliefs which I do not need since it serves no purpose
Every other part of the processing is acceptable as it can be justified and potentially become knowledge

Academically, intellectually and philosophically you are one of those rare ones who disagree with 'the concept of belief' as agreed with most. I'll leave it to your discretion.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 7:00 am

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 6:08 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote:
The thoughts and data that arise from the brain / mind must be processed to establish their veridicity
One stage in the processing is what I had labelled as beliefs
The point is you cannot ignore this process which I labelled as beliefs which are definitely not truths

I do not ignore the process just the part you label beliefs which I do not need since it serves no purpose
Every other part of the processing is acceptable as it can be justified and potentially become knowledge

Academically, intellectually and philosophically you are one of those rare ones who disagree with 'the concept of belief' as agreed with most. I'll leave it to your discretion.

What do you believe?

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:04 am What do you believe?

I believe that the question "What do yo believe?" is a human heuristic for "Are you one of my people?"

It attempts to answer the question: Do you think like me?

It is a silly manifestation of ingroup/outgroup psychology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingroups_and_outgroups

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:07 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:04 am What do you believe?

I believe that the question "What do yo believe?" is a human heuristic for "Are you one of my people?"

It attempts to answer the question: Do you think like me?

It is a silly manifestation of ingroup/outgroup psychology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingroups_and_outgroups

Was I asking you? Don't you have some black people to throw out of some 10th storey windows? Oh, hang on. They are in power now

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:14 am Was I asking you? Don't you have some black people to throw out of some 10th storey windows? Oh, hang on. They are in power now

I am black, my dear ignoramus. My ID book says so

But your use of "they" sure is more evidence of us-and-them thinking.

Q.E.D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingroups_and_outgroups

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:15 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:14 am Was I asking you? Don't you have some black people to throw out of some 10th storey windows? Oh, hang on. They are in power now

I am black, my dear ignoramus. My ID book says so

But your use of "they" sure is more evidence of us-and-them thinking.

Q.E.D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingroups_and_outgroups

I've noticed you arseholes are leaving in droves and inflicting yourselves on the rest of the planet (not least of all us). Not the most likable of people, are South Africans.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:22 am I've noticed you arseholes are leaving in droves and inflicting yourselves on the rest of the planet (not least of all us). Not the most likable of people, are South Africans.

Well, I always have a trick up my sleeve to deal with bigots such as yourself.

I was actually born in Europe. I have dual citizenship you see.

I am a black-white European South African!
I am married to a white-black (different to a white-black!) South African American.

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:28 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:22 am I've noticed you arseholes are leaving in droves and inflicting yourselves on the rest of the planet (not least of all us). Not the most likable of people, are South Africans.

Well, I always have a trick up my sleeve to deal with bigots such as yourself.

I was actually born in Europe. I have dual citizenship you see.

Different 'from'.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:31 am
Different 'from'.

Yes, but Europe is a continent not a country. And because I haven't told you which country in Europe I am from, now I am forcing your hand into discriminating against 50 nationalities if you insist on maintaining your bigotry

It's much more fun exposing hypocrisy that way!

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:24 pm Shove your moronic nationalistic sheeple crap.

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:36 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:31 am
Different 'from'.

Yes, but Europe is a continent not a country. And because I haven't told you which country in Europe I am from, now I am forcing your hand into discriminating against 50 nationalities if you insist on maintaining your bigotry

It's much more fun exposing hypocrisy that way!

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 11, 2018 10:24 pm Shove your moronic nationalistic sheeple crap.

Didn't you say you are a South African who pretends to be black to get preferential treatment? Forgive me if I got that wrong. I mean, do what you like to survive. I'm just saying that I don't find South Africans particularly likable. We took on a lot of South African immigrant police and they were nearly all sacked because they were far too brutal for this country. And that accent...Such arrogant people.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:41 am Didn't you say you are a South African

I also said I am European.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:41 am who pretends to be black to get preferential treatment?

Pretends?!?! My ID books says I am black. Are you disputing this FACT?

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:41 am Forgive me if I got that wrong. I mean, do what you like to survive.

I am not doing it to 'survive'. I am doing it because I like gaming broken systems to serve my own goals.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:41 am I'm just saying that I don't find South Africans particularly likable.

And what about white-black European South Africans?

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:41 am We took on a lot of South African immigrant police and they were nearly all sacked because they were far too brutal for this country. And that accent...Such arrogant people.

I guess your screening/recruitment process is flawed?

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:47 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:41 am Didn't you say you are a South African

I also said I am European.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:41 am who pretends to be black to get preferential treatment?

Pretends?!?! By ID books says I am black. Are you disputing this FACT?

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:41 am Forgive me if I got that wrong. I mean, do what you like to survive.

I am not doing it to 'survive'. I am doing it because I like gaming broken systems.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:41 am I'm just saying that I don't find South Africans particularly likable.

And what about white-black European South Africans?

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:41 am We took on a lot of South African immigrant police and they were nearly all sacked because they were far too brutal for this country. And that accent...Such arrogant people.

I guess your screening/recruitment process is flawed?

You said you are white but registered as black to get preferential treatment. Are you denying that now? I really don't care. I was never a bleeding heart anti-apartheid protestor anyway. I mean look at the place now--white AND black are leaving in droves because it's such a fucked up mess--but that's the PC for you. They don't give a damn about the consequences of their meddling--they only want that warm, fuzzy feeling of 'doing good'.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:51 am You said you were white, but you registered as black to get preferential treatment. Are you denying that now?

I don't identify my race - so I am whatever race you want me to be. I will be whatever race buys me more leeway with you.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:51 am I don't care. I was never a bleeding heart anti-apartheid protestor anyway. I mean look at the place now--white AND black are leaving in droves because it's such a fucked up mess--but that's the PC for you. They don't give a damn about the consequences of their meddling--they only want that warm, fuzzy feeling of 'doing good'.

Who are 'they' ?

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:52 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:51 am You said you were white, but you registered as black to get preferential treatment. Are you denying that now?

I don't identify my skin color - so I am whatever you want me to be.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 01, 2018 10:51 am I don't care. I was never a bleeding heart anti-apartheid protestor anyway. I mean look at the place now--white AND black are leaving in droves because it's such a fucked up mess--but that's the PC for you. They don't give a damn about the consequences of their meddling--they only want that warm, fuzzy feeling of 'doing good'.

Who are 'they' ?

You definitely said you are white. As for the rest; please read my comments and try to keep up.