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Re: One Must Die and Die Again Until One Becomes a god Through God.
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 2:23 am
by gaffo
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 18, 2018 1:25 am
gaffo wrote: ↑Sun Nov 18, 2018 1:23 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 18, 2018 12:58 am
Hindus would agree, who else would also agree?
most but not all Buddists would.
....................no doubt some now dead religions would also.
they being now dead.................that leaves only some Buddiest and most/all Hindus.
Are you sure these are the only two religions?
I will give you a hint, type into Google "dying God myth" or any variation of it.
not into games - there is a forum outside of google. if you have something to say, say it ihere so we can disscuss/debate!
Re: One Must Die and Die Again Until One Becomes a god Through God.
Posted: Sun Nov 18, 2018 2:38 am
by Davyboi
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 18, 2018 1:40 am
Davyboi wrote: ↑Sun Nov 18, 2018 1:30 am
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 18, 2018 1:23 am
Davyboi...no-one ever really grows up.
Yeah there is math in everything, a dualism of a trinities composed of trinities.
So what does a dualism mean to you? And a trinity?
The first thing that came to mind is...A trinity means to me..mind, body and soul..3 totally different things but the same thing..as for duelism I would at a guess say, different things having the same properties or values? I don't know?
So how can 3 individuals be one individual?
Can a dualism result in a trinity? Vice versa?
How do I explain this? My example is....look at water, if boiled it becomes steam, if frozen it becomes ice, and in the middle it is a liquid, same H20 just different states being. I'm not sure what dualism is so Carnt give an opinion.
Re: One Must Die and Die Again Until One Becomes a god Through God.
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:47 pm
by bahman
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:05 pm
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Discuss.
We are minds experiencing and causing illusions.
Re: One Must Die and Die Again Until One Becomes a god Through God.
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:03 pm
by Eodnhoj7
bahman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:47 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:05 pm
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Discuss.
We are minds experiencing and causing illusions.
Is this an illusion?
Re: One Must Die and Die Again Until One Becomes a god Through God.
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:15 pm
by bahman
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:03 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:47 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 16, 2018 7:05 pm
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Discuss.
We are minds experiencing and causing illusions.
Is this an illusion?
No, that is the truth. I have an argument for that: Let's consider a system which undergoes a change: S1 to S2. S1 cannot coexist with S2 therefore it has to vanishes before S2 is caused. S2 however cannot be caused out of nothingness. Therefore there should exist a mind which experiences S1 and causes S2. What is S in general? A form created by mind which vanishes if it is not sustained, illusion.
Re: One Must Die and Die Again Until One Becomes a god Through God.
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:20 pm
by Eodnhoj7
bahman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:15 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:03 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:47 pm
We are minds experiencing and causing illusions.
Is this an illusion?
No, that is the truth. I have an argument for that: Let's consider a system which undergoes a change: S1 to S2. S1 cannot coexist with S2 therefore it has to vanishes before S2 is caused. S2 however cannot be caused out of nothingness. Therefore there should exist a mind which experiences S1 and causes S2. What is S in general? A form created by mind which vanishes if it is not sustained, illusion.
So if this statement, and the concepts in it such as "Is", "this", "an", "illusion" "?", exist elsewhere are there other truths?
My point is that any concept of deeming something as true requires a continual negation of what is illusion causing truth statements to occur.
Re: One Must Die and Die Again Until One Becomes a god Through God.
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:33 pm
by bahman
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:20 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:15 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:03 pm
Is this an illusion?
No, that is the truth. I have an argument for that: Let's consider a system which undergoes a change: S1 to S2. S1 cannot coexist with S2 therefore it has to vanishes before S2 is caused. S2 however cannot be caused out of nothingness. Therefore there should exist a mind which experiences S1 and causes S2. What is S in general? A form created by mind which vanishes if it is not sustained, illusion.
So if this statement, and the concepts in it such as "Is", "this", "an", "illusion" "?", exist elsewhere are there other truths?
That is the truth. Everything else is derived from this.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:20 pm
My point is that any concept of deeming something as true requires a continual negation of what is illusion causing truth statements to occur.
Do you observe any change? Yes? Therefore my argument follows.
Re: One Must Die and Die Again Until One Becomes a god Through God.
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:35 pm
by Eodnhoj7
bahman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:33 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:20 pm
bahman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:15 pm
No, that is the truth. I have an argument for that: Let's consider a system which undergoes a change: S1 to S2. S1 cannot coexist with S2 therefore it has to vanishes before S2 is caused. S2 however cannot be caused out of nothingness. Therefore there should exist a mind which experiences S1 and causes S2. What is S in general? A form created by mind which vanishes if it is not sustained, illusion.
So if this statement, and the concepts in it such as "Is", "this", "an", "illusion" "?", exist elsewhere are there other truths?
That is the truth. Everything else is derived from this.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:20 pm
My point is that any concept of deeming something as true requires a continual negation of what is illusion causing truth statements to occur.
Do you observe any change? Yes? Therefore my argument follows.
Infinite change is no change as a constant truth. There is constant truth because of this statement.
Re: One Must Die and Die Again Until One Becomes a god Through God.
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:39 pm
by bahman
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:35 pm
Infinite change is no change as a constant truth.
What do you mean?
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:35 pm
There is constant truth because of this statement.
Isn't that circular?
Re: One Must Die and Die Again Until One Becomes a god Through God.
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:45 pm
by Eodnhoj7
bahman wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:39 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:35 pm
Infinite change is no change as a constant truth.
What do you mean?
Change is a constant, hence what we understand of change is infinite.
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:35 pm
There is constant truth because of this statement.
Isn't that circular?
Not if it progressively changes.
Re: One Must Die and Die Again Until One Becomes a god Through God.
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:02 am
by Davyboi
Hello people! Please explain to me what is being discussed here, in simple terms both views please! Thanks
Re: One Must Die and Die Again Until One Becomes a god Through God.
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:03 am
by bahman
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 11:45 pm
Change is a constant, hence what we understand of change is infinite.
What do you mean with "change is constant"? How does your conclusion follow from your single premise?
Re: One Must Die and Die Again Until One Becomes a god Through God.
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:04 am
by bahman
Davyboi wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:02 am
Hello people! Please explain to me what is being discussed here, in simple terms both views please! Thanks
That would be as long as this thread!
Re: One Must Die and Die Again Until One Becomes a god Through God.
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:13 am
by Davyboi
bahman wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:04 am
Davyboi wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:02 am
Hello people! Please explain to me what is being discussed here, in simple terms both views please! Thanks
That would be as long as this thread!
Well give it go anyway please! Just the important points.
Re: One Must Die and Die Again Until One Becomes a god Through God.
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2018 12:41 am
by AlexW
What is the difference between god and God?
What defines a god and who/what is God?
Please explain.