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Walker wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:43 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:15 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:49 am

Something outside of your head, like getting hit by a truck.

So, in order for the view to change some sort of LEARNING needs to take place?

Learning implies the gaining of additional knowledge, which is not necessary.

What happens is a reordering of what is known, and this provides new meaning.

The reordering is at the root, or the view, and this puts new light on the leaves that were already there.

This, in a sense, is True, if and only if you are saying that the knowledge is already KNOWN. That is; the knowledge of Right and Wrong. The knowledge of WHO 'I' am. The knowledge of what is our purpose in life, what is the meaning of life, what is True in life, HOW to create and live in a Truly peaceful world in harmony with one another, et cetera, et cetera. And, once the reordering is done, then the new light on everything happens. Is that what you are, or are some what, saying?

ken wrote:
You appear to be very dogmatic regarding this issue here and do not appear to be simply avoiding it at all ( As evidenced in your writing here )

You do not appear to be just an observer at all and appear to be a participant in this such matter ( As evidenced in your writing here )

JUST maybe the reason WHY you appear to be NOT what you would call open minded at all regarding this
matter IS because you have not yet discovered nor LEARNED how to be more open and / or Truly OPEN

I am not dogmatic at all regarding this issue because I have absolutely no need to waste mental energy as I said
The older I get the less dogmatic I am becoming and over time I will become even less dogmatic than I am now

I am just an observer as I simply do not become emotionally involved with the world beyond how it affects me

You are basing these assumptions on my words but the place where all this is really happening is some where else
As how I am describing it here on the forum is less important than how I am actually thinking about it in my mind

Age wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:59 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:43 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:15 pm

So, in order for the view to change some sort of LEARNING needs to take place?

Learning implies the gaining of additional knowledge, which is not necessary.

What happens is a reordering of what is known, and this provides new meaning.

The reordering is at the root, or the view, and this puts new light on the leaves that were already there.

This, in a sense, is True, if and only if you are saying that the knowledge is already KNOWN. That is; the knowledge of Right and Wrong. The knowledge of WHO 'I' am. The knowledge of what is our purpose in life, what is the meaning of life, what is True in life, HOW to create and live in a Truly peaceful world in harmony with one another, et cetera, et cetera. And, once the reordering is done, then the new light on everything happens. Is that what you are, or are some what, saying?

The intellectual part is more an interpretation of the moment, which is the totality of current outer and inner perceptions, rather than an ordering of concepts devoid of context. The baseline for interpretation of the moment is realizing the nature of mind. A sober person wouldn’t choose to have continuity interrupted by an external force, but that’s just one way time is stopped.

Age

Nick_A wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:41 pm
What prevents the mind and heart from opening to new understanding of what should be normal for human "being?"

1. By misusing the word 'Mind', as you have just done so, and NOT understanding what the 'Mind' actually IS and NOT knowing how It actually works prevents opening to new understanding.

I don't know what you mean. How have I misused a concept I didn't elaborate on? The expressions of our intellect range from basic linear binary thought which is the most common and conscious contemplation opening to the third dimension of thought which is relatively rare in this day age. Dualistic binary thought is associated with Ptolemy in this thread. Opening to the third dimension of thought through conscious contemplation opens a person to Universalism in which the earth is not the center of the universe. What have I missed?

2. Again, by misusing the word 'heart' that prevents opening to new understanding.

Heart can refer to a whole scale of quality of emotions. There are basic animal emotions like selective love. These are acquired negative negative emotions where love becomes possessive and related to romantic love where another inspires this feeling in the lover. This easily becomes its opposite when this other person leaves. Evolved love or conscious love is the love of life itself. A person loves another and the energy produced is for their benefit. So again, I don't know what I'm missing.

3. Thinking/believing what should be "normal" for human beings, that what is not yet understood, prevents opening to new understanding.(Exactly how human beings are now is perfect and normal. Human beings like ALL animals evolve. Human beings are at the perfectly normal place in the evolutionary position of things. They will come to KNOW and understand far more than they do now, when and only when they learn HOW to look at things differently from how they do it now.)

4. Making assumptions and having beliefs is a huge STOP and what prevents from LEARNING HOW to open up to gaining anew understanding.

I disagree and firmly believe that until a person comes to experience their nothingness as Socrates did when he said "I know nothing", Without this foundation there is no impulse to rise above the limitations of dualistic binary thought and everything remains business as usual. It will just be the endless arguing of opinions within Plato's cave with no awareness of the benefits from leaving cave life through the conscious vertical awareness of the greater reality outside the limitations of cave life.

I go by the assumption that collective humanity has become backwards. it is easily verified in oneself. A normal human being would be governed by intellect, the emotions would provide the force to act, and the body would provide what is necessary to act upon the intent of the intellect. As we are, we are governed by the lowest parts of the collective human organism. The needs of the body and egoistic emotional imagination corrupting them prevents the intellect from doing anything other than justifying egoistic negative emotions continuing cave life and denying the normal evolution into Universalism..

Plus there are many other things also, which all fall into place when the above is fully understood.

I agree a great deal will fall into place when we verify the human condition within ourselves and how we are upside down. There is a minority who have verified the human condition within themselves whose goal is to become right side up in the pursuit of consciously opening to experience objective human meaning and purpose. The World seeks to destroy the impulse but it is kept alive through the depths of philosophy and the essence of religion.

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:55 pm

age wrote:
You appear to be very dogmatic regarding this issue here and do not appear to be simply avoiding it at all ( As evidenced in your writing here )

You do not appear to be just an observer at all and appear to be a participant in this such matter ( As evidenced in your writing here )

JUST maybe the reason WHY you appear to be NOT what you would call open minded at all regarding this
matter IS because you have not yet discovered nor LEARNED how to be more open and / or Truly OPEN

I am not dogmatic at all regarding this issue because I have absolutely no need to waste mental energy as I said

Just because you have absolutely no need to do some thing, that in and of itself does NOT mean that you are not doing that thing. For example, just because a person has absolutely no need to waste mental energy on being dogmatic that in and of itself does NOT mean that that person is not being dogmatic at all.

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:55 pmThe older I get the less dogmatic I am becoming and over time I will become even less dogmatic than I am now

Are you aware that you can become completely OPEN, and thus NOT dogmatic at all, and almost immediately, once you discover and/or LEARN how to be, and view, that way?

Also, are you aware that you used to not dogmatic at all and have only become dogmatic, because you LEARNED to be that way?

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:55 pmI am just an observer as I simply do not become emotionally involved with the world beyond how it affects me

Speaks for itself. But as soon as you did become emotionally involved, and continue being emotionally involved, you STOPPED being just an observer and thus became a "willing" participant in THAT world.

To me you appear to be still very affected by "this world". Your BELIEFS, and thus your closed viewing of things, comes across very clearly in your words, which to me shows just how closed an observer you really are.

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:55 pmYou are basing these assumptions on my words but the place where all this is really happening is some where else

Expressing what APPEARS to me is NOT assuming any thing. There is a difference between assuming some thing and expressing how I see some thing. Of course what I see and thus appears to me could be partly wrong or even completely wrong. But I am allowed to express what I see, without others assuming that I am assuming some thing. I actually use the word APPEAR to express that I am NOT assuming.

Also, of course I am basing what I write about what I see from you, ON YOUR WORDS. What else could I base my views on? Your WORDS are, literally, ALL I have to look at.

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 2:55 pmAs how I am describing it here on the forum is less important than how I am actually thinking about it in my mind

I will not ask you to clarify WHAT is the 'mind', and, WHO is the 'my' in relation to 'my mind'? here, as I have done so before without any clear definitions given, but if you would like to try again, then please do so.

How you describe things here in this forum is ALL i have to work with. For example when you write some thing like;
Free will is not possible because the sub conscious preempts decisions by the conscious
The illusion of free will though is maintained because the conscious does not know this

The words 'NOT possible', 'the ILLUSION', 'the conscious does NOT know' that you use, as I said, from your very own words, It APPEARS to me that you are NOT open at all, and thus have a very closed view, on this issue.

Would you like to begin to explain what do you mean by 'the sub conscious', and how THAT can actually preempt decisions by the conscious, AND what do you mean by the 'conscious', exactly also?

Here is, yet another, very open question to you, Do you already have an assumption and/or a BELIEF within you that only allows you to seeing that that what you wrote here as being the absolute Truth?

Are you at all open to the fact that what you wrote here could possibly be WRONG?

By the way I have absolutely no doubt that you would LOVE to be Truly OPEN to everything, so that you then could comprehend, learn, and understand far more than you do now, but WHY are you NOT at all open to an idea, which may possibly just SHOW you HOW you can become Truly OPEN to ALL things? WHY are you NOT open to becoming a Truly OPEN person, and thus OPEN to becoming a Truly WISER person ALSO?

Walker wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 3:15 pm

Age wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:59 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:43 pm
Learning implies the gaining of additional knowledge, which is not necessary.

What happens is a reordering of what is known, and this provides new meaning.

The reordering is at the root, or the view, and this puts new light on the leaves that were already there.

This, in a sense, is True, if and only if you are saying that the knowledge is already KNOWN. That is; the knowledge of Right and Wrong. The knowledge of WHO 'I' am. The knowledge of what is our purpose in life, what is the meaning of life, what is True in life, HOW to create and live in a Truly peaceful world in harmony with one another, et cetera, et cetera. And, once the reordering is done, then the new light on everything happens. Is that what you are, or are some what, saying?

The intellectual part is more an interpretation of the moment, which is the totality of current outer and inner perceptions, rather than an ordering of concepts devoid of context. The baseline for interpretation of the moment is realizing the nature of mind. A sober person wouldn’t choose to have continuity interrupted by an external force, but that’s just one way time is stopped.

Have you realized the True nature of Mind yet?

If yes, then great.

If no, then does that mean that the nature of Mind is already KNOWN, by you, and you just NEED to reorder your thinking, so that new meaning is understood, OR, does that mean that the nature of Mind is NOT yet KNOWN, by you, and you just NEED to discover and/or LEARN this "new" knowledge?

Either way I do NOT care. I am just wondering what you see as being the actual truth of things here. BOTH work perfectly in meaning and understanding for ME.

ken wrote:
Are you at all open to the fact that what you wrote here could possibly be WRONG

You have asked this question before and my answer is still the same

I accept that EVERYTHING I have EVER written could be wrong and when I discover anything which is wrong I correct it immediately
But my mind is quiet most of the time since I have no need to always be right or have an opinion on everything like in the old days

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:24 pm You have asked this question before and my answer is still the same

I accept that EVERYTHING I have EVER written could be wrong and when I discover anything which is wrong I correct it immediately
But my mind is quiet most of the time since I have no need to always be right or have an opinion on everything like in the old days

The very fact you claim to be able to recognize the difference between right and wrong makes you a binary classifier: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_classification

And therefore subject to PPV and NPV optimisation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_ ... ive_values

Having opinions sure is a great way to get falsifiers...https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Cunningham's_Law

TimeSeeker wrote:
Having opinions sure is a great way to get falsifiers

I avoid having opinions as much as possible and so prefer not to have any or very few
I am better for being an observer rather than a participant which I do not want to be

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:43 pm Age

Nick_A wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:41 pm
What prevents the mind and heart from opening to new understanding of what should be normal for human "being?"

1. By misusing the word 'Mind', as you have just done so, and NOT understanding what the 'Mind' actually IS and NOT knowing how It actually works prevents opening to new understanding.

I don't know what you mean. How have I misused a concept I didn't elaborate on?

As I said by misusing the word 'Mind' THAT IS ACTUALLY WHAT prevents from opening to new understanding .....

You do NOT need to elaborate on some thing for Me to be able to already see if you KNOW what the actual and real concept of it is or not.

If you would care to "elaborate" on the concept of 'Mind', then that in and of itself will SHOW how the or your misusing of WORDS prevents you, human beings, from OPENING up to NEW understanding. The VERY things that human beings do in the year 2018 is WHAT IS stopping them from OPENING up and learning new things and thus NOT gaining NEW understandings.

To the observers in future "times" reading this, this will be blindingly obviously clear. but to the human beings of when this is written this is just blinding.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:43 pmThe expressions of our intellect range from basic linear binary thought which is the most common and conscious contemplation opening to the third dimension of thought which is relatively rare in this day age. Dualistic binary thought is associated with Ptolemy in this thread. Opening to the third dimension of thought through conscious contemplation opens a person to Universalism in which the earth is not the center of the universe. What have I missed?

Did you miss to consciously contemplate that WHAT I am actually SAYING?

Conscious contemplation that OPENS human beings to what you call "Universalsim", does and WILL lead them out of 'this' world that they live in now (2018), and which they call "reality". 'This' world, you 2018 human beings live in now, is NOT reality, just like the earth was NOT the center of the Universe "reality" as it was seen back then.

Just one example of conscious contemplation OPENS human beings to the fact that the Universe is infinite and eternal, and therefore did NOT ever begin, nor will ever end, as some primitive thinking human beings BELIEVE it is the case in the year 2018. There are so many other examples of HOW the human beings in 2018 do NOT consciously contemplate, just like the human beings, 400 years earlier, also do NOT consciously contemplate. The reason WHY you ALL do NOT consciously contemplate is the EXACT same answer. You have NOT yet LEARNED how to view things correctly. The reason WHY you are NOT able to LEARN is for the exact same reason, that is; because of the way you look at and view things now. Making Assumptions, which are based, on Previous Experiences, and BELIEFS, is VERY primitive APE-like behavior that PREVENTS human beings from evolving into the next level of True Consciousness and Awareness.

The very thing human beings will NOT let go of is the very thing that prevents them from becoming their True potential, which is what you might call the 'third dimension'.

'Consciously contemplate' WHAT the Mind actually IS, then discover HOW It actually works, then you will KNOW exactly WHAT, HOW and even WHY human beings are being prevented from OPENING up to NEW understanding. Once you learn and/or discover the WHY of some thing happens, then you HAVE the KNOW-HOW to prevent it from happening again.

As soon as you LEARN WHY you, human beings, are so closed, then you can PREVENT that from happening again, and thus WILL just remain completely OPEN, always. And, then you will be ABLE TO LEARN what True consciousness actually IS, and also what from True Conscious contemplation can also achieve.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:43 pm

2. Again, by misusing the word 'heart' that prevents opening to new understanding.

Heart can refer to a whole scale of quality of emotions.

So what? 'Heart' can refer to other things also. YOUR question was; What prevents the mind and heart from opening to new understanding of what should be normal for human "being?"

Now, there are at least two things that is happening here by you asking this question. Either you are seeing the answer, or, you already KNOW the answer. Now which one is it?

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:43 pm There are basic animal emotions like selective love. These are acquired negative negative emotions where love becomes possessive and related to romantic love where another inspires this feeling in the lover. This easily becomes its opposite when this other person leaves. Evolved love or conscious love is the love of life itself. A person loves another and the energy produced is for their benefit. So again, I don't know what I'm missing.

What has that got to do with the word 'heart' in relation to YOUR question?

I will now tell you what I see when I read your question. You can then explain if that is what you meant or not. Do NOT get offended if what I SEE in your words is NOT what you meant because this is just what I see, and nothing else.

I see you asking, What prevents HUMAN BEINGS from opening to new understanding of what WILL BECOME normal, or NEW, understanding, or KNOWLEDGE for THE EVOLVED PAST human SPECIES of "beings".

Now just like a species evolved out of itself and/or evolved into human beings, so will the human being species evolve out of itself, and/or evolve into another species of 'being'. To me this is just when human beings stop being like the human species, human-like, and evolve into becoming and/or being more God-like, God being. That is; just when human beings stop polluting and warring with each other and just behave far more "normally" by just living pollution-free and peacefully with each other, then they have truly evolved into BEING God-like and not BEING human-like. This, of course, is all depended upon human beings NOT wiping their one and only home out and thus ultimately themselves PRIOR, to evolving into being that way.

Now, you asked the question What prevents the "mind" and "heart" from opening to new understanding. To me, there is NOTHING that prevents the Mind and the heart from opening to new understanding ...
1. The 'Mind' is ALWAYS OPEN. The Mind can NOT close at all. The 'Mind' can not BE opened because It is ALREADY OPEN. (The reason there appears to be closed-mindedness is just because of HOW the Mind and the brain work, against each other, mostly. WHAT the brain actually does is what makes the Mind apparently closed. But again the Mind can NOT be closed.)
2. The 'heart' just pumps blood. The heart can NOT be opened to any thing, except for blood.

If you had completely different meanings for using the words 'mind' and 'heart', then you will need to explain HOW they can be or are closed and HOW they can therefore be OPENED, but if you KNEW that already, then you would not need to have asked the question previously. Unless of course you already KNEW the answer and you were just seeing WHO else KNEW the answer also. Or, if you were looking for the answer to the question, then that is what I am giving you now.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:43 pm

3. Thinking/believing what should be "normal" for human beings, that what is not yet understood, prevents opening to new understanding.(Exactly how human beings are now is perfect and normal. Human beings like ALL animals evolve. Human beings are at the perfectly normal place in the evolutionary position of things. They will come to KNOW and understand far more than they do now, when and only when they learn HOW to look at things differently from how they do it now.)

4. Making assumptions and having beliefs is a huge STOP and what prevents from LEARNING HOW to open up to gaining anew understanding.

I disagree and firmly believe that until a person comes to experience their nothingness as Socrates did when he said "I know nothing",

You, human beings, really make Me laugh. The amount of irony in YOUR, human beings', WORDS is hilarious.

What do you THINK the words, "I DISAGREE" and "FIRMLY BELIEVE" infer? Could they infer A KNOWING, and NOT just A KNOWING but also appearing as an ABSOLUTE KNOWING, FOR SURE, of some thing?

You do realize that you said, "I disagree and firmly believe (in other words KNOW) ..." in the same sentence as relating to "I know nothing"?

Sure there are some others WHO can see how utterly funny this is?

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:43 pm Without this foundation there is no impulse to rise above the limitations of dualistic binary thought and everything remains business as usual.

If you WANT to BELIEVE that, then so be it.

You, obviously, would NOT believe some thing like that if it were NOT absolutely True, nor NOT absolutely Right, Correct?

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:43 pmIt will just be the endless arguing of opinions within Plato's cave with no awareness of the benefits from leaving cave life through the conscious vertical awareness of the greater reality outside the limitations of cave life.

It really is hilarious seeing human beings STUCK in the very same blindingly dark cave that they, themselves, are building around themselves.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:43 pmI go by the assumption that collective humanity has become backwards. it is easily verified in oneself. A normal human being would be governed by intellect, the emotions would provide the force to act, and the body would provide what is necessary to act upon the intent of the intellect.

WHAT does "normal human being" mean, to you?

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:43 pmAs we are, we are governed by the lowest parts of the collective human organism. The needs of the body and egoistic emotional imagination corrupting them prevents the intellect from doing anything other than justifying egoistic negative emotions continuing cave life and denying the normal evolution into Universalism.

So, YOU KNOW what IS denying normal evolution into Universalism, yet YOU continue to do the VERY SAME THING your SELF. WHY?

Here is a hint; Consciously contemplate what the NEEDS are of the human body. I come up with three (maybe four) things. How many can you come up with.

None of those NEEDS of the human body GOVERN human beings into being the greedy, selfish, abusive, and self-destroying animal that it is. Only WANTS govern the adult human being into being a greedy, selfish, abusive, and self-destructing animal that it is. NEEDS are a KNOWING, and are so deeply entrenched and instinctively built into us that this KNOWLEDGE is held deep within the genes of the body. Discovering this untapped KNOWLEDGE is what WILL guide you human beings to LEARNING what is Right and what is Wrong in Life. Thus taking you into world peace. WANTS, however, that govern adult human beings WRONG behavior comes from LEARNING, throughout their life time. This knowledge gained along the way is WHAT (tries to) "justifies" human beings obviously ABUSIVE and WRONG behaviors.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:43 pm

Plus there are many other things also, which all fall into place when the above is fully understood.

I agree a great deal will fall into place when we verify the human condition within ourselves and how we are upside down.

The condition within human beings that appears to be upside down is just THE WAY human beings look at things. They do NOT look from a completely OPEN perspective. When they do look from a completely OPEN perspective, then ALL things become much, much clearer. Everything is the RIGHT way up and IS seen and UNDERSTOOD crystal clear.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:43 pmThere is a minority who have verified the human condition within themselves whose goal is to become right side up in the pursuit of consciously opening to experience objective human meaning and purpose.

Besides this is NOT just about human meaning, there is NO thing less, nor more, important than a human being, the fact is one does NOT have to consciously OPEN up, one just has to LEARN HOW to be always OPEN, first. Once that is LEARNED and thus KNOWN, then they can remain OPEN always, very simply and easily.

Nick_A wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:43 pmThe World seeks to destroy the impulse but it is kept alive through the depths of philosophy and the essence of religion.

Remember that is "the world" that human beings are creating. The Universe does NOT seek to destroy what WILL, obviously, become, or come-into-being. But "the world" that is being created right now through the WRONG, misuse of the word 'philosophy' and through the WRONG, misuse of the Actual and True essence of religion IS what is actually destroying 'life', as you know it now.

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:24 pm

age wrote:
Are you at all open to the fact that what you wrote here could possibly be WRONG

You have asked this question before and my answer is still the same

I accept that EVERYTHING I have EVER written could be wrong and when I discover anything which is wrong I correct it immediately

Are you at all aware that instead of INSISTING that some things are NOT POSSIBLE or are AN ILLUSION, and just remained completely OPEN, then you can not NOT BE WRONG.

Also, when you are completely OPEN you are always able to SEE, and understand, the WRONG in what others say AND think.

In fact when you are completely OPEN you are always able to SEE, and understand, the WRONG and the RIGHT in absolutely EVERY thing in Life, including in one's own thinking and writings.

If you were already OPEN, then you would have already DISCOVERED all of that which is WRONG in what you have already written.

surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:24 pmBut my mind is quiet most of the time since I have no need to always be right or have an opinion on everything like in the old days

Just so I have it clear. When you write things like:
Free will is not possible because the sub conscious preempts decisions by the conscious

And you use the words "NOT POSSIBLE" are you saying that that could be WRONG or NOT WRONG?

If that means you are NOT WONG, then that certainly goes against what you are now saying.

But if that means you could be WRONG, then WHY pose it as an absolute certain True FACT?

Your words do NOT come across as though you do NOT need to always be right, to me, nor that you do NOT have an opinion. Just these words here alone express a very STRONG opinion on one tiny issue.

Maybe if you wrote in a more OPEN way, then you would NOT come across as NOT being OPEN at all.

The illusion of free will though is maintained because the conscious does not know this

Also, when you use words like "THE ILLUSION" are saying that that could be WRONG or NOT WRONG?

If you REALLY are prepared to being OPEN to, what you write and say as actually, could be WRONG, then would you like Me to question you in a way so that you can DISCOVER and SEE for your Self WHERE, WHAT, and WHY the WRONG IS, in what you write, OR, would you prefer instead for Me to just point out YOUR WRONG, for you? Or, would you prefer some thing else?

Either way I am happy, but I just need you to be prepared to define some words YOU USE, and explain the meaning and context in which you use those words for you to be able to SEE, and understand, the WRONG in what you write.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:03 pm Either way I do NOT care.

That’s all you had to say.

No need to keep jacking your jaws after that.
Or come to think of it, before that.

To not care precludes being full of care, or careful.

To be careful is a subset of mindfulness, for one can be mindful while not caring, which is why Born to Lose tats outnumber those that declare, Born to Win.

Working with others in a dangerous environment teaches being full of care in the atomic realm as SOP, which keeps oneself and others off life support as a routine matter of course. To do less is irresponsible to the custodial duties for a life you didn’t create, the source that spins old-karma on the lathe of self-recrimination.

There are a LOT of SHOUTED words here which makes the text BLOODY hard to read once you have LARGE tracts of text.

Just SAYIN'.

Greta wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:44 am There are a LOT of SHOUTED words here which makes the text BLOODY hard to read once you have LARGE tracts of text.

Just SAYIN'.

If this was directed at me, and you see them as shouted words and that, in of itself, makes it hard for you to read, then I apologize, profusely.

I do not mean them as shouted words, and I am not exactly sure how by capitalizing some letters and words makes it harder for you to read, but each to their own. Is there some particular reason why doing this makes reading in larger tracts of text harder?

I now know not to capitalize any words when replying to you. Thank you for the feedback.

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:37 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:03 pm Either way I do NOT care.

That’s all you had to say.

I just asked you a question;

Have you realized the True nature of Mind yet?

Age wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 11:03 pmIf yes, then great.

If no, then does that mean that the nature of Mind is already KNOWN, by you, and you just NEED to reorder your thinking, so that new meaning is understood, OR, does that mean that the nature of Mind is NOT yet KNOWN, by you, and you just NEED to discover and/or LEARN this "new" knowledge?

Either way I do NOT care. I am just wondering what you see as being the actual truth of things here. BOTH work perfectly in meaning and understanding for ME.

So, either way you answer that question I would not care. That was all I was not caring about here.

I just asked a question. All you had to do was answer it.

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:37 amNo need to keep jacking your jaws after that.

All i wrote after that was; I am just wondering what you see as being the actual truth of things here. BOTH work perfectly in meaning and understanding for ME.

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:37 amOr come to think of it, before that.

I only asked a question, with a yes or no answer, "before that", which by the way you still have not answered.

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 1:37 amTo not care precludes being full of care, or careful.

To be careful is a subset of mindfulness, for one can be mindful while not caring, which is why Born to Lose tats outnumber those that declare, Born to Win.

Working with others in a dangerous environment teaches being full of care in the atomic realm as SOP, which keeps oneself and others off life support as a routine matter of course. To do less is irresponsible to the custodial duties for a life you didn’t create, the source that spins old-karma on the lathe of self-recrimination.

I am not sure what this has to do with the question I asked you, or if it even has anything to do with the question I asked you?

Was this an attempt at appearing to answer the question but not actually doing so at all, or was this just meant to be the obvious distraction from the question that it is?