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Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:58 am I am aware of the theory why there is no permanent transcendental self, i.e. the soul.

There is no permanent ''trancendental self'' because the one that appears to trancend itself is only an illusory character within the dream of separation. Dream characters are appearances of the unborn Absolute SELF. So that which only ''appears'' to transcend never actually transcends, for one very good reason, dream characters don't exist separate from the Absolute SELF...dream characters are the experiences of Absolute SELF.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:58 amI am asking, why don't you commit suicide regardless of what is the theory.

The Nondual Absolute Self is not a theory...all theory is phenomena which is mental activity, a dream appearance, experience within the Absolute.
Phenomena is of the mind which knows itself as the character within the dream of separation arising within the Absolute as embodied Awareness.
So the ''why'' don't I commit suicide doesn't even arise in the enlightened (ALL IS ONE) mind. That ''thought'' alone belongs to the world of phenomena, to the mind idenitified with a 'separate self', albeit illusory.

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Oct 20, 2018 3:23 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:58 am I am aware of the theory why there is no permanent transcendental self, i.e. the soul.

There is no permanent ''trancendental self'' because the one that appears to trancend itself is only an illusory character within the dream of separation. Dream characters are appearances of the unborn Absolute SELF. So that which only ''appears'' to transcend never actually transcends, for one very good reason, dream characters don't exist separate from the Absolute SELF...dream characters are the experiences of Absolute SELF.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sat Oct 20, 2018 9:58 amI am asking, why don't you commit suicide regardless of what is the theory.

The Nondual Absolute Self is not a theory...all theory is phenomena which is mental activity, a dream appearance, experience within the Absolute.
Phenomena is of the mind which knows itself as the character within the dream of separation arising within the Absolute as embodied Awareness.
So the ''why'' don't I commit suicide doesn't even arise in the enlightened (ALL IS ONE) mind. That ''thought'' alone belongs to the world of phenomena, to the mind idenitified with a 'separate self', albeit illusory.

You are deceiving yourself.
If you can decide to participate in this forum and answer the above question,
surely you can decide to 'commit suicide' but I know you won't.
This is because you are entrapped within the impulses of the empirical self to survive at all costs.
It is this survival at all cost that generate the illusory idea of the Absolute in your mind as the defense mechanism.
There is no Absolute Oneness, what is dominant is merely your empirical self that vanishes upon physical death.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:57 am There is no Absolute Oneness, what is dominant is merely your empirical self that vanishes upon physical death.

How can you say that. You have never known death, you talk of death like you know what it is. You have no idea what is death, knowledge of such is all second hand heresy and not actual first person direct experience.

Actual first person direct experience knows no birth or death. In the sense that there was no awareness of your birth, and there will be no awareness of your death. There is only actual direct pure presence AWARENESS...in which everything else is arising and passing like a cloud.


The SOURCE itself is fully abstract insubstantial incorporeal formless spirit appearing as images and sound. Source is this actual direct un-moved mover.

The assumption there is an 'empirical provable self' is no different than saying there is a God, so now we have two Gods right there in that thought.
1: The unborn presence tacit (direct actual experience) God
2: The conceptually born via second hand knowledge (mind activity) God

2 is a temporal appearance within the 1

More than one God are moved to action by will, the will, without a substratum, could not act simultaneously in more than one being.

Therefore, the existence of one God is proved. The existence of more than one God cannot be proved. One could suggest that it would be possible but since as possibility is inapplicable to tacit God, there does not exist more than one God. So, the possibility of ascertaining the existence of God is here confounded with potentiality of existence which is SOURCE.

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sun Oct 21, 2018 4:12 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Oct 21, 2018 6:57 am There is no Absolute Oneness, what is dominant is merely your empirical self that vanishes upon physical death.

How can you say that. You have never known death, you talk of death like you know what it is. You have no idea what is death, knowledge of such is all second hand heresy and not actual first person direct experience.

What are you talking about?
Have you heard a corpse speaking and expressing any empirical self?

Actual first person direct experience knows no birth or death. In the sense that there was no awareness of your birth, and there will be no awareness of your death. There is only actual direct pure presence AWARENESS...in which everything else is arising and passing like a cloud.

The first-person-direct-experience and thoughts are confined to what can be experienced consciously or in a dream.
The first-person-direct-experience and thoughts can be

• 1. related reality [provable] or
  2. unreality [unprovable].

Your direct pure presence AWARENESS is an illusion and it is unreal and unprovable.
This is in principle the same as a schizo claiming gnomes are real because he directly experience talking with them.

The SOURCE itself is fully abstract insubstantial incorporeal formless spirit appearing as images and sound. Source is this actual direct un-moved mover.

The assumption there is an 'empirical provable self' is no different than saying there is a God, so now we have two Gods right there in that thought.
1: The unborn presence tacit (direct actual experience) God
2: The conceptually born via second hand knowledge (mind activity) God

2 is a temporal appearance within the 1

More than one God are moved to action by will, the will, without a substratum, could not act simultaneously in more than one being.

Therefore, the existence of one God is proved. The existence of more than one God cannot be proved. One could suggest that it would be possible but since as possibility is inapplicable to tacit God, there does not exist more than one God. So, the possibility of ascertaining the existence of God is here confounded with potentiality of existence which is SOURCE.

Provide the evidence God is real?
What you are claiming is no difference from a schizo is claiming his hallucinations are real.

Note this;
Religious and Spiritual Delusions in Schizophrenia
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=25328

VA: What DAM and I are talking about is a direct first person experience of the Absolute. No distinctions. Its not religion; its NOT a belief system.

Science believe it or not is just as dogmatic if not more so than religion. Both religion and science for the most part take a lot for granted in just pyre concept alone. However a first person experience of Consciousness/Source/God is not conceptual or dogmatic, but ACTUAL.

Ramu wrote: ↑Mon Oct 22, 2018 3:39 am VA: What DAM and I are talking about is a direct first person experience of the Absolute. No distinctions. Its not religion; its NOT a belief system.

Science believe it or not is just as dogmatic if not more so than religion. Both religion and science for the most part take a lot for granted in just pyre concept alone. However a first person experience of Consciousness/Source/God is not conceptual or dogmatic, but ACTUAL.

The point is those with mental illness and other conditions also claimed to have first-person-direct experience of Consciousness/Source/God and the likes.
See the link above - Schizophrenia and God &
Ramachandran, the Temporal Lobes Epilepsy and God
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIiIsDIkDtg&t=1s

How do you know your first person direct experience is not due to some degree of benign mental illness, brain damage [e.g. Jill Bolte] and other illusory reasons.

The fact is you are unable to prove God exists as real/actual on an empirical-rational basis.

Btw, what do you and humanity gain by believing God is actual?
What theists gain is merely the selfish propensity to relieve their personal existential pains, anything else is secondary.

What is critical to humanity is SOME who believe God is actual/real are inspired by their God to commit terrible evil and violent acts.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:17 am
Btw, what do you and humanity gain by believing God is actual? (Dontaskme)

“People suffer only because they take seriously what the gods made for fun.” ~Alan Watts

“There is only one core issue for all psychology: Where does the ‘me’ begin? Where does the ‘me’ end? Where does the ‘other’ begin?”

~ James Hillman

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 4:09 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:17 am
Btw, what do you and humanity gain by believing God is actual? (Dontaskme)

“People suffer only because they take seriously what the gods made for fun.” ~Alan Watts

Out of point again.
As usual you are escaping reality with deflections and chicken out in facing reality.

The schizo and various mad people also believe 'spirituality' is having their own experience.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Oct 24, 2018 2:53 am
Out of point again.
As usual you are escaping reality with deflections and chicken out in facing reality.

The point is you have to understand who this you is that can escape and not face its reality?

Until you know .. your just a mentally created belief.

When you say ''you are escaping'' ...I'm assuming ''you'' means ''me'' ?

Veritas, there is no 'me' ...except a mentally created conceptual belief.

“There is only one core issue for all psychology: Where does the ‘me’ begin? Where does the ‘me’ end? Where does the ‘other’ begin?”

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