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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:35 pm I am this and you are too.

It's strange that you cannot fathom what is your own thinking, and that there is anything beyond that.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:35 pm I am this and you are too. I didn't come into it, I came out of it, out of myself. It's Y(ours)

God explores exponential chaos.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:55 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:35 pm I am this and you are too.

It's strange that you cannot fathom what is your own thinking, and that there is anything beyond that.

Where is the thinker?

More to the point, where is thought?

Have you ever held one up in front of you and claimed it yours?

Strange you can't fathom that.

Don't worry LW...I used to fight with nondualists all the time, up and till the penny finally dropped. It takes time to drop, sometimes it never drops. But then that would be no thing not dropping anyway, so no worries.

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TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:56 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:35 pm I am this and you are too. I didn't come into it, I came out of it, out of myself. It's Y(ours)

God explores exponential chaos.

Yes.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:12 pm

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:56 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:35 pm I am this and you are too. I didn't come into it, I came out of it, out of myself. It's Y(ours)

God explores exponential chaos.

Yes.

Your heart arises and subsides in sub empirical molecules"

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:02 pm Don't worry LW...I used to fight with nondualists all the time, up and till the penny finally dropped. It takes time to drop, sometimes it never drops. But then that would be no thing not dropping anyway, so no worries.

You're simply repeating non-dual teachings and understandings. Big deal. What you add to that is your ego -- it is present in your posts. That's the element of "religion": you covet it and you preach it. That turns it into a false idol... a fraud... your "god". As with all theists, "that" is yours. You are continually creating, even if you deny existing.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:17 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:02 pm Don't worry LW...I used to fight with nondualists all the time, up and till the penny finally dropped. It takes time to drop, sometimes it never drops. But then that would be no thing not dropping anyway, so no worries.

You're simply repeating non-dual teachings and understandings. Big deal.

That's about the gist of it, yawn! ..no big deal.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:17 pmWhat you add to that is your ego -- it is present in your posts.

Yep, you got it..where ego I go.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:17 pm That's the element of "religion": you covet it and you preach it.

Nonduality is not a religion, it's the pointing that does away with all religion, religion is of the mind, an illusion.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:17 pmThat turns it into a false idol... a fraud... your "god". As with all theists, "that" is yours. You are continually creating, even if you deny existing.

Now, think all of the above backwards until you reach that which is aware of all this mental narrative. Awareness has no image of itself. It cannot be made into an idol except as a belief.

An image is a mirror image of awareness - it's an image of the imageless, it doesn't have a face, so it makes one up, it's called a mirage.

You are dancing with shadows again...enjoy!

I'm only showing you what is my reality, I do not know of any other reality.

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When people are in discussion with others all they are doing is projecting their own realities, every one does it.

I have no intension of asking other people to swallow what is my reality.

So you are correct in pointing that out.

My only concern is that you struggle to see this. You seem to think there is something to challenge, where there isn't.

You often talk about challenging other peoples ideas..but how is that possible if like you've already admitted to yourself, we can only know our own realities, so how can that be challenged?
What is the purpose, to change their reality, to get them to take on another flavour of reality that is not theirs?

What is the purpose of arguing with others if not to try and win them over to your side of the argument, that's just a stupid mind game...don't you agree?

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We're all just little mini universes...like little bubbles in an infinite ocean, when the bubble pops, all it does is merge with the ocean that it never left.

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Do you ever look at what you are surrounded by? ...you are surrounded by empty space, you've literally come out of nothing.

Now that to me is very humbling, and what ever is behind this miraculous manifestation, gets a really big thumbs up from me. It's a pretty grand trick that surpasses all understanding.



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TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:15 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:12 pm

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 4:56 pm

God explores exponential chaos.

Yes.

Your heart arises and subsides in sub empirical molecules"

Yes.

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Incidently, the heart is the first thing to spontaneously contract into action before the embryonic seed of a human baby can progress any further, and that bursting into life by the heart, is the starting block that builds upon itself into the magificence that is a human body, it's quite amazing really.

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Out of one cell came all cells.

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:02 pm Yep, you got it..where ego I go.

Lacewing wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:17 pm That's the element of "religion": you covet it and you preach it.

Nonduality is not a religion, it's the pointing that does away with all religion, religion is of the mind, an illusion.

I'm saying that your ego is creating religion.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:02 pm

Lacewing wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:17 pmThat turns it into a false idol... a fraud... your "god". As with all theists, "that" is yours. You are continually creating, even if you deny existing.

Now, think all of the above backwards until you reach that which is aware of all this mental narrative. Awareness has no image of itself. It cannot be made into an idol except as a belief.

This is how you avoid responsibility for your creations. This is how you remove yourself from these interactions (which you somehow care enough to engage in), so that you can escape into the void whenever you don't want to look at what you're creating. You flip back and forth, depending on your mood or agenda or need or whatever. Such inconsistency is dishonest, as I've pointed out before. Sure, you can be all over the place, blabbing whatever the fuck you feel like blabbing, and be perfectly content to admit that it's all nonsense and none of it is real. But it's your trip... and it's not all there is.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:02 pm I'm only showing you what is my reality, I do not know of any other reality.

EXACTLY!!! YOUR reality. You do not know of any other reality. Yet you tell people that maybe they'll "get there" someday. That's your ego creating a story about the reality that you know.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:02 pm When people are in discussion with others all they are doing is projecting their own realities, every one does it.

That is not all they are doing. Maybe SOME people are limited to that, but there is more potential than that. I have interactions with people all the time in ways that we are listening and watching and blending and shifting rather than projecting.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:02 pm My only concern is that you struggle to see this. You seem to think there is something to challenge, where there isn't.

Why is it your concern... and how would you know what is worth challenging, if you do not know of other realities than what you know?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:02 pmWhat is the purpose, to change their reality, to get them to take on another flavour of reality that is not theirs? What is the purpose of arguing with others if not to try and win them over to your side of the argument, that's just a stupid mind game...don't you agree?

Why do you challenge the things people say? Do you think it is only about winning? Why does anyone offer other perspectives? Do you not see all the other potential?

If you cannot be honest about what you are creating, then you are surely not seeing with clarity, no matter how many quotes on nondualism you repeat.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:32 pm

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:15 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 5:12 pm

Yes.

Your heart arises and subsides in sub empirical molecules"

Yes.

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Incidently, the heart is the first thing to spontaneously contract into action before the embryonic seed of a human baby can progress any further, and that bursting into life by the heart, is the starting block that builds upon itself into the magificence that is a human body, it's quite amazing really.

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Out of one cell came all cells.

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Well. You can continue this conversation with the true author since I have been plagiarising ...

www.wisdomofchopra.com

Lacewing, it is very obvious that you and I are on totally different wavelengths.

I'm so over wrestling in shit with the pigs.

You are really are not of my vibration, so why don't you just go and blow it all out of your arse, no offence.

Seriously, just keep studing nondual literature, then perhaps you'll actually realise just what is actually in control of reality here.

Why not, for once in your life try and understand what nondual literature is actually saying, it's certainly not saying it is the end of responsibilty. You don't have to stop and think about not running across a busy road else you get knocked down and killed, you know not to do that automatically.

Thinking alters the natural flow that is life living itself automatically, thinking dams up the nondual flow. Your natural reflexes are a million times quicker that if you had to stop and think about whether to remove a hand from a hot stove, can't you see, you are not what you think you are. What you think you are is not the one removing the hand from the hot stove. The thinker is an illusion, the thinker only appears as the responses, the reactions after the event...and then the mind says, I moved my hand off the hot stove.

It's not like someone who knows life is an illusion is suddenly going to just walk out onto a road thinking well, it doesn't matter life is not real anyway, it's all an illusion, NO, of course there is responsibilty to be taken, and that is all taken care of because we are awareness first and foremost we already know not to run out into the road. . we respond to that knowing that is before we even know about it.


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TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:54 pm
Well. You can continue this conversation with the true author since I have been plagiarising ...

www.wisdomofchopra.com

It doesn't matter, it's the highest form of wisdom, all knowledge is of the heart centre.

Copyright belongs to the realm of the ego, our of fear and limitation so it tries to grab all it can for itself before it dies, it's so needy and greedy..

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:20 pm

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 6:54 pm
Well. You can continue this conversation with the true author since I have been plagiarising ...

www.wisdomofchopra.com

It doesn't matter, it's the highest form of wisdom, all knowledge is of the heart centre.

Copyright belongs to the realm of the ego, our of fear and limitation so it tries to grab all it can for itself before it dies, it's so needy and greedy..

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I mean I don’t want to play middle-man between you and the robot is all.

Dontaskme wrote:
Your natural reflexes are a million times quicker that if you had to stop and think about whether to remove a hand from
a hot stove cant you see, you are not what you think you are

One does have to stop and think before removing a hand from a hot stove but it happens so quickly it makes one think
no actual thinking was involved. Our subconscious mind knows what we are going to do before our conscious mind does

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Thu Sep 13, 2018 7:17 pm...

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Ah yes, DAM obliviously flapping away about her own reality while imagining the nonduality that serves her.