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Re: "All existence is perfect relative to nothingness".
Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:10 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:50 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:48 pm
Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:46 pm
Worry doesn't occur to nothing. Existence creates it.
Peace does not occur either....so considering you have existing thoughts, you worry? Or if you do not worry does that mean you have no thoughts?
You are confusing two states. One in which I exist, and one in which I don't. The second state misses nothing.
Anyway, I'm having brunch.
The second is not a state at all if there is nothing, unless you observe "nothing" as relativistic in the respect it is a statement of relation. For example I have a tea cup that has "nothing" in it. It's "nothingness" observes a statement of relation in the respect no "fluid" is in it, however "air" exists in it, electromagnetic waves, etc.
Nothingness is a statement of relation, hence observes an absence of actualized state and in these respects shows an inversion of actual form through "potential form as no form" in which the empty cup observes potential relations. This potential form, is actualized eventually from the perspective of "1 moment in which everything exists", hence "nothingness" or "emptyness" is a point of inversion where actuality (such as the cup being full of water) changes into another actuality (such as the cup being full with different water or coffee).
Re: "All existence is perfect relative to nothingness".
Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:14 pm
by Dalek Prime
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:10 pm
Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:50 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:48 pm
Peace does not occur either....so considering you have existing thoughts, you worry? Or if you do not worry does that mean you have no thoughts?
You are confusing two states. One in which I exist, and one in which I don't. The second state misses nothing.
Anyway, I'm having brunch.
The second is not a state at all if there is nothing, unless you observe "nothing" as relativistic in the respect it is a statement of relation. For example I have a tea cup that has "nothing" in it. It's "nothingness" observes a statement of relation in the respect no "fluid" is in it, however "air" exists in it, electromagnetic waves, etc.
Nothingness is a statement of relation, hence observes an absence of actualized state and in these respects shows an inversion of actual form through "potential form as no form" in which the empty cup observes potential relations. This potential form, is actualized eventually from the perspective of "1 moment in which everything exists", hence "nothingness" or "emptyness" is a point of inversion where actuality (such as the cup being full of water) changes into another actuality (such as the cup being full with different water or coffee).
Relative to the world, there was a state in which you did not exist. Then there is your extant state. That you can't or won't grasp that is not my problem.
Re: "All existence is perfect relative to nothingness".
Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:15 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:14 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:10 pm
Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 6:50 pm
You are confusing two states. One in which I exist, and one in which I don't. The second state misses nothing.
Anyway, I'm having brunch.
The second is not a state at all if there is nothing, unless you observe "nothing" as relativistic in the respect it is a statement of relation. For example I have a tea cup that has "nothing" in it. It's "nothingness" observes a statement of relation in the respect no "fluid" is in it, however "air" exists in it, electromagnetic waves, etc.
Nothingness is a statement of relation, hence observes an absence of actualized state and in these respects shows an inversion of actual form through "potential form as no form" in which the empty cup observes potential relations. This potential form, is actualized eventually from the perspective of "1 moment in which everything exists", hence "nothingness" or "emptyness" is a point of inversion where actuality (such as the cup being full of water) changes into another actuality (such as the cup being full with different water or coffee).
Relative to the world, there was a state in which you did not exist. Then there is your extant state. That you can't or won't grasp that is not my problem.
You can't grasp nothingness....
Re: "All existence is perfect relative to nothingness".
Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:19 pm
by Dalek Prime
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:15 pm
Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:14 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:10 pm
The second is not a state at all if there is nothing, unless you observe "nothing" as relativistic in the respect it is a statement of relation. For example I have a tea cup that has "nothing" in it. It's "nothingness" observes a statement of relation in the respect no "fluid" is in it, however "air" exists in it, electromagnetic waves, etc.
Nothingness is a statement of relation, hence observes an absence of actualized state and in these respects shows an inversion of actual form through "potential form as no form" in which the empty cup observes potential relations. This potential form, is actualized eventually from the perspective of "1 moment in which everything exists", hence "nothingness" or "emptyness" is a point of inversion where actuality (such as the cup being full of water) changes into another actuality (such as the cup being full with different water or coffee).
Relative to the world, there was a state in which you did not exist. Then there is your extant state. That you can't or won't grasp that is not my problem.
You can't grasp nothingness....
Yes I can. I didn't exist for billions of years, ya lummox. And it's going to happen again.
What I can't do is experience it, simultaneously. There's a difference.
Re: "All existence is perfect relative to nothingness".
Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:29 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:19 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:15 pm
Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:14 pm
Relative to the world, there was a state in which you did not exist. Then there is your extant state. That you can't or won't grasp that is not my problem.
You can't grasp nothingness....
Yes I can. I didn't exist for billions of years, ya lummox. And it's going to happen again.
What I can't do is experience it, simultaneously. There's a difference.
Actually all the parts which composed you for those billions of years existed, hence your existence was always there but deficient compared to what it is today.
Re: "All existence is perfect relative to nothingness".
Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:37 pm
by Dalek Prime
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:29 pm
Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:19 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:15 pm
You can't grasp nothingness....
Yes I can. I didn't exist for billions of years, ya lummox. And it's going to happen again.
What I can't do is experience it, simultaneously. There's a difference.
Actually all the parts which composed you for those billions of years existed, hence your existence was always there but deficient compared to what it is today.
I don't care about the matter. We replace all cells every eight years. What I'm talking about is the 55 year awareness. That is something. The lack of was nothing.
Re: "All existence is perfect relative to nothingness".
Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:38 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:37 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:29 pm
Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:19 pm
Yes I can. I didn't exist for billions of years, ya lummox. And it's going to happen again.
What I can't do is experience it, simultaneously. There's a difference.
Actually all the parts which composed you for those billions of years existed, hence your existence was always there but deficient compared to what it is today.
I don't care about the matter. We replace all cells every eight years. What I'm talking about is the 55 year awareness. That is something. The lack of was nothing.
And the "lack of" is merely a statement of relation where one "actuality" inverts to another actuality" and effectively observes that "nothingness" is an observation of relation.
Re: "All existence is perfect relative to nothingness".
Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:43 pm
by Dalek Prime
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:38 pm
Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:37 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:29 pm
Actually all the parts which composed you for those billions of years existed, hence your existence was always there but deficient compared to what it is today.
I don't care about the matter. We replace all cells every eight years. What I'm talking about is the 55 year awareness. That is something. The lack of was nothing.
And the "lack of" is merely a statement of relation where one "actuality" inverts to another actuality" and effectively observes that "nothingness" is an observation of relation.
Only because I exist. There was still nothing before, consciousness-wise. And again, after. Don't forget, I'm only talking about consciousness, not the matter that existed before. Perhaps that is where we are disagreeing.
Re: "All existence is perfect relative to nothingness".
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:22 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:43 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:38 pm
Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:37 pm
I don't care about the matter. We replace all cells every eight years. What I'm talking about is the 55 year awareness. That is something. The lack of was nothing.
And the "lack of" is merely a statement of relation where one "actuality" inverts to another actuality" and effectively observes that "nothingness" is an observation of relation.
Only because I exist. There was still nothing before, consciousness-wise. And again, after. Don't forget, I'm only talking about consciousness, not the matter that existed before. Perhaps that is where we are disagreeing.
And what is consciousness but the relation of parts?
Re: "All existence is perfect relative to nothingness".
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:06 pm
by Dalek Prime
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:22 pm
Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:43 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:38 pm
And the "lack of" is merely a statement of relation where one "actuality" inverts to another actuality" and effectively observes that "nothingness" is an observation of relation.
Only because I exist. There was still nothing before, consciousness-wise. And again, after. Don't forget, I'm only talking about consciousness, not the matter that existed before. Perhaps that is where we are disagreeing.
And what is consciousness but the relation of parts?
Yeah. I'll go throw some LEGO together, and call it conscious.
Re: "All existence is perfect relative to nothingness".
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 7:16 pm
by Eodnhoj7
Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:06 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 6:22 pm
Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:43 pm
Only because I exist. There was still nothing before, consciousness-wise. And again, after. Don't forget, I'm only talking about consciousness, not the matter that existed before. Perhaps that is where we are disagreeing.
And what is consciousness but the relation of parts?
Yeah. I'll go throw some LEGO together, and call it conscious.
It is an extension of your consciousness, hence contains a degree of it.
Re: "All existence is perfect relative to nothingness".
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2018 8:02 pm
by Dontaskme
Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:43 pm
Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:38 pm
Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:37 pm
I don't care about the matter. We replace all cells every eight years. What I'm talking about is the 55 year awareness. That is something. The lack of was nothing.
And the "lack of" is merely a statement of relation where one "actuality" inverts to another actuality" and effectively observes that "nothingness" is an observation of relation.
Only because I exist. There was still nothing before, consciousness-wise. And again, after. Don't forget, I'm only talking about consciousness, not the matter that existed before. Perhaps that is where we are disagreeing.
That nothing is known as pure awareness without an object. An object is an experience of pure awareness when awareness is aware of itself as an object, the two are inseparably one. NOW.
Pure awareness cannot experience itself as an object, it can only be aware of an object, the experience of existing is the awareness of the object....but awareness itself is not dependant on an object for it’s existence. Awareness neither exists nor does it not exist...it just IS
An I doesn’t come in to this universe...it comes out of it...out of what’s always here, the I is never not here.
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