Re: Are illusions real?
Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:31 pm
A real illusion.Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:29 pmOne is confirming while the other is denying which makes you real.
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Re: Are illusions real?
Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:43 pm
See my next thread in the Lounge.Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:31 pmA real illusion.Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:29 pmOne is confirming while the other is denying which makes you real.
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PhilXRe: Are illusions real?
Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:48 pm
Illusions are real as illusions, or in simpler terms there nature is real with any deficiency in "truth" fundamentally being the negative nature which defines them.Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:06 pm They certainly look real (a side question would be the best illusion you've seen?)
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Illusions as an absence of truth are still a truth.
Re: Are illusions real?
Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:58 pm
Are you listening dam?Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:48 pmIllusions are real as illusions, or in simpler terms there nature is real with any deficiency in "truth" fundamentally being the negative nature which defines them.Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:06 pm They certainly look real (a side question would be the best illusion you've seen?)
Illusions as an absence of truth are still a truth.
PhilXRe: Are illusions real?
Posted: Tue Jul 31, 2018 10:05 pm
Are you listening?Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:58 pmAre you listening dam?Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 31, 2018 9:48 pmIllusions are real as illusions, or in simpler terms there nature is real with any deficiency in "truth" fundamentally being the negative nature which defines them.Philosophy Explorer wrote: ↑Sun Jul 29, 2018 11:06 pm They certainly look real (a side question would be the best illusion you've seen?)
Illusions as an absence of truth are still a truth.
PhilX
Everything we understand of an illusion, as a deficiency in truth, is still based upon some truth. Take for example a mythology...an "illusion" of truth similar to the lie. A mythology while untrue in and of itself is still dependent upon some elements of truth whether it be the twisting of a story or the reality of the elements in the myth themselves (ex: Zeus may no be real as a being but embodies real elements of the human psyche).
Re: Are illusions real?
Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2018 11:22 pm
Illusion is not reality
Not reality is not not
Not not is not absence
Not absence is power
Illusion is power
Reality is weakness
Weakness is past
Illusion is future
Not reality is not not
Not not is not absence
Not absence is power
Illusion is power
Reality is weakness
Weakness is past
Illusion is future
Re: Are illusions real?
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2018 7:13 am
What is 'real' is always conditioned to some specific agreed Framework and System of cognition [FSC] and can be justified and verified within the specific FSC.
Any cognition that is not real within a specific agreed Framework and System of cognition is an illusion. [1]
For example within a specific empirical framework and system, an ordinary oasis in a desert is real, i.e. can be empirically justified.
But if someone were to cognize an oasis which is actually verified as a mirage, then that cognition is an illusion, i.e. not real as conditioned to that specific empirical framework and system, Science for example. Another example is a bent stick between air and water and there are many types of illusions.
A piece of solid diamond within the common physical world would be an illusion if one insist it is still solid within the molecular or atomic perspective where that piece of diamond is 99.9999% empty space.
As mentioned by others, the processes in the brain that produce the illusion are real within the obvious empirical framework.
There are many types of empirical illusions as the number of senses.
There are various types of illusion with the senses of touch, hearing, taste, smell, sight.
Besides the senses, there are also the logical illusions[as defined in 1] that arise in thoughts and thinking when we take into account certain specific framework and systems of thinking, e.g. formal logic.
In ordinary logic, illusions are labelled fallacies.
There is another type of logic, i.e. transcendental logic which generate a different class of transcendental illusions. There are only 3 types of illusions from transcendental logic, i.e. God, the Soul, THE Universe. [see Kant's transcendental illusions].
Thus in the consideration of what is illusion, one must be mindful of the specific framework and systems of cognition and one should not conflate different frameworks to arrive at a conclusion regarding illusions.
Any cognition that is not real within a specific agreed Framework and System of cognition is an illusion. [1]
For example within a specific empirical framework and system, an ordinary oasis in a desert is real, i.e. can be empirically justified.
But if someone were to cognize an oasis which is actually verified as a mirage, then that cognition is an illusion, i.e. not real as conditioned to that specific empirical framework and system, Science for example. Another example is a bent stick between air and water and there are many types of illusions.
A piece of solid diamond within the common physical world would be an illusion if one insist it is still solid within the molecular or atomic perspective where that piece of diamond is 99.9999% empty space.
As mentioned by others, the processes in the brain that produce the illusion are real within the obvious empirical framework.
There are many types of empirical illusions as the number of senses.
There are various types of illusion with the senses of touch, hearing, taste, smell, sight.
Besides the senses, there are also the logical illusions[as defined in 1] that arise in thoughts and thinking when we take into account certain specific framework and systems of thinking, e.g. formal logic.
In ordinary logic, illusions are labelled fallacies.
There is another type of logic, i.e. transcendental logic which generate a different class of transcendental illusions. There are only 3 types of illusions from transcendental logic, i.e. God, the Soul, THE Universe. [see Kant's transcendental illusions].
Thus in the consideration of what is illusion, one must be mindful of the specific framework and systems of cognition and one should not conflate different frameworks to arrive at a conclusion regarding illusions.