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Greta wrote: Fri May 25, 2018 11:54 pm
Walker wrote: Fri May 25, 2018 10:38 amAn age of polarizing tribalism.
That's just the usual pre-war state rather than an age. What is war but physically expressed intensely polarised tribalism? One clue is the sense that at least one side sees the other as not human; killing sub-humans is less tragic than killing humans, seemingly.

For whatever reason, Fox is very keen for another war. Given Murdoch's passion for political control, that's not just about sales. Arms and fossil fuel companies appear to be quietly involved behind the scenes in the beating drums of war.
That's just the usual pre-war state rather than an age. What is war but physically expressed intensely polarised tribalism? One clue is the sense that at least one side sees the other as not human; killing sub-humans is less tragic than killing humans, seemingly.

Don’t need any scientific studies to see that violent video games corrupt the medium and condition the population for that sort of thing.
GIGO (garbage in, garbage out).
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Information age (True, I stick to Civilization VI game)
Age of Quantum Physics (even by quantum physics generated value for "morality" of one nature or other)

The physician gets the medical report of you walking through the radio-based scanner portal generated in no time at all.

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Walker wrote: Sat May 26, 2018 7:05 am
Greta wrote: Fri May 25, 2018 11:54 pm
Walker wrote: Fri May 25, 2018 10:38 amAn age of polarizing tribalism.
That's just the usual pre-war state rather than an age. What is war but physically expressed intensely polarised tribalism? One clue is the sense that at least one side sees the other as not human; killing sub-humans is less tragic than killing humans, seemingly.

For whatever reason, Fox is very keen for another war. Given Murdoch's passion for political control, that's not just about sales. Arms and fossil fuel companies appear to be quietly involved behind the scenes in the beating drums of war.
That's just the usual pre-war state rather than an age. What is war but physically expressed intensely polarised tribalism? One clue is the sense that at least one side sees the other as not human; killing sub-humans is less tragic than killing humans, seemingly.

Don’t need any scientific studies to see that violent video games corrupt the medium and condition the population for that sort of thing.
GIGO (garbage in, garbage out).
As far as I know, there were a few wars before video games. I didn't know that video games were so big in the Middle East and Africa.
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Greta wrote:As far as I know, there were a few wars before video games. I didn't know that video games were so big in the Middle East and Africa.
Yes, there were and no, probably not.

I didn't realize you had switched to understanding only in absolutes that apply to all situations (to fairly return the facetiousness).

Video games are not an absolute and as you noticed, not ubiquitous.

So, what's the relevance of your comment to what you quoted?

Continuing with the ignorant facetiousness, are you trying to say that the folks in Africa kill because they watch Fox News?
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Walker wrote: Sat May 26, 2018 8:27 am
Greta wrote:As far as I know, there were a few wars before video games. I didn't know that video games were so big in the Middle East and Africa.
Yes, there were and no, probably not.

I didn't realize you had switched to understanding only in absolutes that apply to all situations (to fairly return the facetiousness).

Video games are not an absolute and as you noticed, not ubiquitous.

So, what's the relevance of your comment to what you quoted?

Continuing with the ignorant facetiousness, are you trying to say that the folks in Africa kill because they watch Fox News?
If you are going to blame violence on video games then some ignorant facetiousness would seem a fair response. Grandpa's grumbling about them thar young people after reading sensationalist news reports is not exactly philosophical.

Why are violent video games so popular? The answer is probably the same as why Fox is so popular. Lively, frustrated people leading enforced quiet lives looking for a buzz, an outlet. Some of the psychological effects of increasing overpopulation - anger, frustrated desire for expression, hostility against those blamed for the cramping and reduced quality of life (which may be against certain groups or people per se).
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"at least one side sees the other as not human; killing sub-humans is less tragic than killing humans, seemingly."

Worked for Lenin, Mao, and Guevara.

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"Fox is very keen for another war."

Right along with CNN and MSNBC (backin' different horses, of course).
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commonsense wrote: Fri May 25, 2018 10:59 pm
bahman wrote: Fri May 25, 2018 7:31 pm
QuantumT wrote: Tue May 22, 2018 10:28 pm 500 years from now, in the year 2518, what do you think they will call our age? The 19th to the 21st century (give or take)?

The electric age?
The technological age?
The computer age?
The nuclear age?

Or will they extend the medieval age to the 21st?
The age of wisdom, hopefully in early future.
Sorry, but no. As I said before, it will be the Age of Fake News. :lol:
You. :mrgreen:
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Greta wrote: Sat May 26, 2018 4:04 pm
Walker wrote: Sat May 26, 2018 8:27 am
Greta wrote:As far as I know, there were a few wars before video games. I didn't know that video games were so big in the Middle East and Africa.
Yes, there were and no, probably not.

I didn't realize you had switched to understanding only in absolutes that apply to all situations (to fairly return the facetiousness).

Video games are not an absolute and as you noticed, not ubiquitous.

So, what's the relevance of your comment to what you quoted?

Continuing with the ignorant facetiousness, are you trying to say that the folks in Africa kill because they watch Fox News?
If you are going to blame violence on video games then some ignorant facetiousness would seem a fair response. Grandpa's grumbling about them thar young people after reading sensationalist news reports is not exactly philosophical.

Why are violent video games so popular? The answer is probably the same as why Fox is so popular. Lively, frustrated people leading enforced quiet lives looking for a buzz, an outlet. Some of the psychological effects of increasing overpopulation - anger, frustrated desire for expression, hostility against those blamed for the cramping and reduced quality of life (which may be against certain groups or people per se).
Yes, it's a form of practice, like a flight simulator. (This is not to assert that flight simulators are to practice killing, which I think must be mentioned in this situation, given the demonstrations of how your mind works).

The outlet for the disaffected you mention is killing practice, and conditioning.

The fact that video games are realistic simulations of killing has nothing to do with news reports.
I know of no news reports that mention video games.
Asserting so is dishonest of you, sadly enough.
And, you do it quite often.

Dishonesty is not the same as facetious.
What a waste of reasoning capacity ... yours.
Maybe it's just the forum game, because really.

I think you're confused about The Fox News.
From what I've seen, it's a coordinated defense of Trump.

Other than the folks, it's about his only defense from idiocy, other than his artful use of the internet to keep all those mean-spirited Progs whose perpetual focus is to get Trump, keep them foaming at the mouth and talking about silly things that really aren't newsworthy other than the ideology that wants it to be so. Just watch CNN, ABC CBS, NBC, rivals of Fox, who have crappy ratings because anyone can see the agenda and lies. It's right there plain as the nose on your face.

In fact, when news breaks, I can tell you exactly what the liberals are going to say about it.

I could be a program director for one of those lying outfits (because I know what they want) if I had no scruples.
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Walker wrote: Sat May 26, 2018 9:12 pmI think you're confused about The Fox News.
From what I've seen, it's a coordinated defense of Trump.

Other than the folks, it's about his only defense from idiocy, other than his artful use of the internet to keep all those mean-spirited Progs whose perpetual focus is to get Trump, keep them foaming at the mouth and talking about silly things that really aren't newsworthy other than the ideology that wants it to be so. Just watch CNN, ABC CBS, NBC, rivals of Fox, who have crappy ratings because anyone can see the agenda and lies. It's right there plain as the nose on your face.

In fact, when news breaks, I can tell you exactly what the liberals are going to say about it.

I could be a program director for one of those lying outfits (because I know what they want) if I had no scruples.
Yes, I also noticed how Tetris was turning us into a nation of bricklayers. Practice makes perfect, eh?

A coordinated defence of Trump is another name for a propaganda arm.

Thanks for a peek into your alternate reality - one that is blissfully free from science and logic. All that matters in your and Trump's world is successful rhetoric to give the impression of winning moment by moment - the deal. As long as the money and rhetoric flows hard and quickly enough to keep everyone distracted and accountability at bay, then we can ignore physics and biology and pretend that reality is anything we like.

We can pretend that climate change won't have a catastrophic impact on all societies this century.

We can pretend that extinctions don't matter.

We can pretend that increasing the carbon in the atmosphere does not increase heating.

We can pretend that fast food burgers are as healthy as low fat, low meat options.

We can pretend that worldviews only consist of CNN v Fox, that the petty fights in the US are the main game on planet Earth.

We can pretend that Fox is not the most blatantly dishonest and manipulative of western mainstream media by a considerable margin. Murdoch used to boast about controlling election results when he started out in media back in the 1950s - and he did, and often still does. I remember the fakery and lies of that "frail" old man in the News of the World Inquiry. Why isn't he being called to account for that sham? Because he owns most of the media. Orwellian.

We can pretend what we like - but the reality will have final say. The irony is that Murdoch and Trump will be insulated from the problems they are worsening, resulting in worse lives for the children of their acolytes, most of whom lack the protection of great wealth.
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"A coordinated defence of Trump is another name for a propaganda arm."

Yep, just as a coordinated attack on Trump is 'propaganda'.

It's ALL propaganda.

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"We can pretend that climate change won't have a catastrophic impact on all societies this century."

We can pretend that we've had a significant effect on climate and the only solution is draconian oversight by the 'enlightened' technocrats of the politburo.

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"We can pretend that extinctions don't matter."

We can pretend that's our fault too and prostrate ourselves before those who promise to solve the problem, the folks who are just a bit more 'equal' than all the rest of us (the politburo).

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"We can pretend that increasing the carbon in the atmosphere does not increase heating."

We can pretend current, on-going conditions are unique, our fault, and can only be alleviated by politburo-directed efforts.

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"We can pretend that fast food burgers are as healthy as low fat, low meat options."

We can pretend free men and women don't have the right to eat garbage (and accept the full consequences of their dietary choices).

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"We can pretend that worldviews only consist of CNN v Fox, that the petty fights in the US are the main game on planet Earth."

We can pretend the existance of LEFT and RIGHT doesn't, in fact, speak deeply (if poorly) as to Man's nature (the competitive and cooperative impulses; the hunger for patterns; the foundational desire to shape (rule) the world).

We can pretend the US isn't the most glorious, kick-ass, nation to come down the pike, ever (not perfect, just the goddamned BEST).

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"We can pretend that Fox is not the most blatantly dishonest and manipulative of western mainstream media by a considerable margin."

We can pretend every other news outlet some how, some way, isn't equally guilty of dishonesty, manipulation (cuz thos folks at CNN, they're 'good').

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"reality will have final say."

Indeed. I got five sez I'm closer in my assessment of 'what is' than you.

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"The irony is that Murdoch and Trump will be insulated from the problems they are worsening, resulting in worse lives for the children of their acolytes, most of whom lack the protection of great wealth."

No, the irony is Trump is doin' (mostly) good and a good chunk of the folks who are benefitin' are too indoctrinated to see it, and would hang the guy just cuz he is who he is.
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Trump bad. Morals good.
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QuantumT wrote: Tue May 22, 2018 10:28 pm What age are we in?

The electric age?
The technological age?
The computer age?
The nuclear age?
The age of Pisces.
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"Trump bad."

Probably. As long as he's serving my best interests, I don't give a flip.

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"Morals good."

All in the eye of the beholder.
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henry quirk wrote: Mon May 28, 2018 3:10 pm "Trump bad."
Probably. As long as he's serving my best interests, I don't give a flip.
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"Morals good."
All in the eye of the beholder.
Amen, Henry, amen.
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G: "We can pretend that climate change won't have a catastrophic impact on all societies this century."

H: We can pretend that we've had a significant effect on climate and the only solution is draconian oversight by the 'enlightened' technocrats of the politburo.

G. Yes, deny the science like a good little drone.

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G. "We can pretend that extinctions don't matter."

H: We can pretend that's our fault too and prostrate ourselves before those who promise to solve the problem, the folks who are just a bit more 'equal' than all the rest of us (the politburo).

G: Again, you deny the science.

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G: "We can pretend that increasing the carbon in the atmosphere does not increase heating."

H: We can pretend current, on-going conditions are unique, our fault, and can only be alleviated by politburo-directed efforts.

G: Again you deny the science. You don't even have the slightest clue what CO2 is or how it contributes to warming of the atmosphere, do you? Seemingly, if Murdoch and Fox say humans had nothing to do with it then that's good enough for you.

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G: "We can pretend that fast food burgers are as healthy as low fat, low meat options."

H: We can pretend free men and women don't have the right to eat garbage (and accept the full consequences of their dietary choices).

G: Irrelevant. I was talking about the denial, those who deny that junk food is less healthy - like Trump. I don't give a damn what you eat.

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G: "We can pretend that worldviews only consist of CNN v Fox, that the petty fights in the US are the main game on planet Earth."

H: We can pretend the existance of LEFT and RIGHT doesn't, in fact, speak deeply (if poorly) as to Man's nature (the competitive and cooperative impulses; the hunger for patterns; the foundational desire to shape (rule) the world).

We can pretend the US isn't the most glorious, kick-ass, nation to come down the pike, ever (not perfect, just the goddamned BEST).

G: US is increasingly divided, angry and dysfunctional. A once-great empire laid low by hubris, as they all do. The US could complete the transition to a Republican theocratic state and that is not going to make China, Russia, Europe and India to follow suit - and that is most of the world.

You guys are deluded as to your power and influence and that's why you keep picking fights with small fleabag countries and getting your butts royally kicked every time!

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G: "We can pretend that Fox is not the most blatantly dishonest and manipulative of western mainstream media by a considerable margin."

H: We can pretend every other news outlet some how, some way, isn't equally guilty of dishonesty, manipulation (cuz thos folks at CNN, they're 'good').

G: Classic moral relativism. CNN is biased but Murdoch media's bias is outrageous- and far more ubiquitous.

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G: "reality will have final say."

H: Indeed. I got five sez I'm closer in my assessment of 'what is' than you.

G: Henry, I'm sure you believe that. However, as a Murdoch media drone, you have no credibility. I mean, just the smallest level of discrimination will reveal the outrageous propagandism. It's basically Pravda for the west.

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G: "The irony is that Murdoch and Trump will be insulated from the problems they are worsening, resulting in worse lives for the children of their acolytes, most of whom lack the protection of great wealth."

H: No, the irony is Trump is doin' (mostly) good and a good chunk of the folks who are benefitin' are too indoctrinated to see it, and would hang the guy just cuz he is who he is.

G: His type is well known.

Working in HR on watched CEOs land the top job with a seemingly impressive track record. The person will go through the place with a "new broom" and implement short term strategies so they appear competent until they find another job, using the short term gains as part of the resume. Once they leave the job, it doesn't matter - to them. Then their short-term approach bites and there is a sharp downturn, usually due to infrastructure and staff anorexia induced for the sake of short term gains.

That's what I think is going on. You think otherwise.

So I predict that in the following administration's first term (whether GOP or Dem) there will be a sharp downturn, a recession or another crash, due to infrastructure shortfalls and flow on effects from mismanagement of natural resources.

You, as a Trump fan, must predict that his "mostly good" policies will continue to bear fruit even after he leaves - as good policies do - at least until the next administration's policies come into effect. Let me know if you see something different for the US.

Definite measures rather than rhetorical fluff. So let's see where the substance lies; once it's on the table the only place to hide is in the other's forgetting. One rule: no matter which way it goes, no whining about celebrating when people are undergoing misfortune. I should be able to celebrate a little when I win :lol:
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