DPMartin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:35 pm
nice try but no cigar, back peddling is not accepted, if God made everything from nothing, as you've said, then what He made is not of Himself, because He is not nothing. so again not of God. again a child of the living is of the life that it has received, but everything else is made.
Back paddling? I admitted to my mistake, and I corrected my mistake. That is not back paddling. Back paddling in this instance would have been this, or something similar to this: "Oh, I meant everything other than god was created by god. I thought that would have been obvious."
This latter is back paddling, because guilt is not acknowledged, but attempted to be reduced to no-guilt without any substantiation. Admitting to guilt and correcting oneself is not back paddling.
If you like, we can both look up the meaning of "self-correction" and the meaning of "back paddling", then compare notes.
Your other imbedded argument does not stand up. There was nothing before creation other than god and, arguably, darkness, a sense of up and down, waters, flotation and gravity. Everything else that is in existence was made from nothing.
For instance, the stars and the animals and Earth and the trees and grasses, were all made by god from nothing. He used no other ingredients but nothing, to make them. They are of god, because their entire being is a derivative of god's creation. There was nothing else at all contributing to their creation but god, his will, and his action.
If you reject this, then obviously these things that god created are of something else, or partly of something else. What would that something else be? Water? Darkness? Up/down? Gravity? Flotation? Take your pick then tie it up neatly.
Now, you can say that most everything on earth contains water, so they are not of god. But man contains water. You would be throwing the man out with the water if you suggested that things of water are not of god.