Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2017 2:42 pm
It's obvious that what you are attempting to say using words as your only tool is impossible to do using that tool.
If it was possible everyone would instantly get and know what was being talked about, and there would be no more discussion ...the message would be crystal clear. However, it is crystal clear that it cannot be put into words, and any attempt to do so would be like a dog chasing it's own tail and never quite catching it.
I myself attempt to do this even though I know it is futile. One simply cannot teach another the Non-dual truth using words.
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To make it crystal clear I KNOW that what I want and will express IS
possible. The difference between (the) you and (the) I is I KNOW what I can do and achieve, whereas, you believe it is impossible, although you keep trying. You believe using words to express and explain a relatively new idea is impossible. I, on the other hand, KNOW expressing that, what you are attempting to express, succinctly is very possible. That is why you will continue on talking the way you do, even when you full well know it is futile to do so, and I will just keep on learning how to express better. I am NOT here to express any thing in particular but rather to learn HOW to express better.
I already KNOW what dontaskme is talking about, and what the message is that you are trying to get across. What you are saying is very simple and easy to understand. But I also KNOW and agree that by using current language, in its current form, it is
near impossible to express and explain what we are both trying to express and explain. But how long did it take to explain that the earth revolves the sun and have that fully understood? When people are under the illusion that what they already believe is true, then just finding the right words to override those beliefs is needed. It does not matter how long it takes, I KNOW it will happen.
The main difference between you and I is I am just here to learn what needs to be changed in order to learn how to express far more succinctly or better the idea of HOW you, any person, can discover, find, see, and understand by them self that what you are trying to explain is the true, whereas, you are just here to keep expressing the way you have been what is the truth. There is nothing wrong with us trying different ways to get to the the same point, but I would never look at this from a negative viewpoint and say that it is impossible and futile. I just look at this as just another challenge, which needs new ways of overcoming it. For example dontaskme sometimes says, "
'you' are the pure and eternal One" but as I have attempted to explain before the word '
you' signifies
another, and therefore (the) '
you' can NOT be the unified pure and eternal One, which we talk about. But as I say there is an '
I' in ALL of us, which is that unified pure and eternal One. We just have to detach the 'you', (which ken is also one of those individual human people) from the 'I', which is the ALL-knowing, ALL-powerful, et cetera, et cetera, dwelling inside.
If we use the word 'you' to refer to the personal and individual ones, and the 'I' to refer to the one and only One, then as far as I can see that makes it easier to explain. Now to add this onto the countless other subliminal messages in words and languages, and expressing how the answers and the truth can be seen in all of them better and far more succinctly, just takes some time. But this is understandable because of how the Mind and the brain works, and thus how human beings view things and what they also see as being true, now. It took quite some years to explain that the earth revolves around the sun, and that was with easily seen physical evidence and proof. To explain what we are trying to explain dontaskme, without the benefit of easy to see with the physical eyes things as proof, and considering it is of far greater difference than what is currently taught, compared when trying to teach something different than the earth is at the center of everything teaching was, then it is not necessarily an easy task, BUT it is certainly a possible task, and a challenge that I thrive on. Because of the huge benefit to human kind and the benefit this will then be for ALL things, in the "world", then I KNOW
we can and will do it. Because this does NOT come from one individual human being but from that One, which is Everyone.
The basis of what you are saying is already right and obviously true, but because you have already stated that you do NOT want help to express what you are attempting to say, you will NOT change what you say and/or write, and you do NOT want to work with others to achieve what it is that you want to express, then I can NOT help you. Because you want to do it all on your own I can NOT help you to see that what I want to say is actually possible and easy. Although you have already subliminally proved this it is possible to do what you say is impossible. Your own first sentence states it is obvious that what I am attempting to say using words as my only tool is impossible. BUT if what I am attempting to say, using words as My only tool, is already obvious to you, then I have already achieved it. Therefore, it IS possible.
