Re: Against Caffeine
Posted: Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:29 pm
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Great.
IMO you're being more papist than the Pope.
I take you point, but caffeine has little effect on BP, mostly diastolic, for a short time, and subject to desensitization. Not enough to ban it. For the liver, hard to be acceptable. Caffeine, if any measurable effect on blood sugar, will raise it. Not enough to ban it. On the contrary, caffeine on the long term prevents Diabetes Mellitus.
Over the years I've discovered several effects of different foods.Sir-Sister-of-Suck wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:57 pmInteresting.thedoc wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:32 amIt wasn't withdraw, I did some testing to be sure, there was something in the Sanka decaffeinated that caused it, I have given up coffee completely and didn't have a reaction.Sir-Sister-of-Suck wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:18 am
If you're replacing regular coffee with the decaff, you could just be getting a migraine from withdrawal of caffeine. If I suddenly stop or switch over to decaff from daily coffee use, I get migraines as well.
I agree with you completely that we shouldn't ban it. It was sort of my point, the number of health complications associated with it are so low they're negligible for most. I think you misunderstand my intention here.PauloL wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 8:44 pmI take you point, but caffeine has little effect on BP, mostly diastolic, for a short time, and subject to desensitization. Not enough to ban it. For the liver, hard to be acceptable. Caffeine, if any measurable effect on blood sugar, will raise it. Not enough to ban it. On the contrary, caffeine on the long term prevents Diabetes Mellitus.
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The proper role of the government is to educate the population on the dangers of different materials and foods, but it should not be given the power to ban anything.Sir-Sister-of-Suck wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:24 pm I agree with you completely that we shouldn't ban it.
I fully agree that Governments shouldn't be given power to ban anything [without a strong reason].
Often the migraines and other afflictions coffee temporarily alleviates are caused by caffeine withdrawal.Sir-Sister-of-Suck wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 12:31 am You're correct to say that caffeine can worsen many mental pathologist, but it can also improve many of them. This really just needs to be at the leisure of the person to decide, because I've even heard some people with anxiety disorders say it helps them, especially those with social anxiety. Likewise, stress levels and migraines are commonly elevated by caffeine.
The truth is, caffeine is one of the most harmless and safest drugs to the known world. Even some of the claims of the fear mongers complaining about energy drink are pretty unfounded. The LD50 of caffeine is so incredibly high, the only risk it really poses is if you have a predisposed condition like HBP, liver issues, or low blood sugar. It has serious interactions with very few medications as well.
What is a Tum?thedoc wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:17 pmOver the years I've discovered several effects of different foods.
Coffee keeps me regular, When I stopped I got constipated, so I started drinking some each day, but not as much.
I used to drink alcoholic drinks to excess and finally just stopped altogether. When I realized that Instead of drinking I was eating 5 - 6 Tums a day I decided something was wrong and I started drinking wine again. I haven't had to take a Tums in years.
I stopped eating ice cream, and sweet potatoes because they upset my stomach. My wife doesn't make corn for me and I don't eat nuts, both of them aggravate my diverticulitis.
I did but nothing came up.PauloL wrote: ↑Wed Aug 30, 2017 12:06 amWhy didn't you Google it?
http://www.tums.com
We take Kompensan-S here instead.
A smart and educated society can sometimes know very naive individuals better than they know themselves but intelligent adult would ideally not be so controlled. Of course, the truth is that intelligent people are patronised and controlled by their mental inferiors all the time, because creating rules with the LCD in mind is administratively simpler and cheaper.Gloominary wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 6:33 pmA smart, educated community can sometimes know individuals better than they know themselves, or they may not want or need certain individuals in their community.So it's best for individuals to decide for themselves what works best with their own minds and bodies.
Well yes, but caffeine really does help to potentiate pain relievers like aspirin. So the use of it in something like Excedrin is a little more than just about relieving withdrawal.Gloominary wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 11:09 pmOften the migraines and other afflictions coffee temporarily alleviates are caused by caffeine withdrawal. Drugs are usually quick fixes to problems that could be better treated by improving health, fitness, perspective and so on.
You can't go a day without getting any carbohydrates, protein, or essential nutrients either. I guess we should all obstinate from that as well?If you can't go one day without it without feeling dreadful, than how good for you could it really be?
I can relate to that, generally speaking I'm a pretty small-government guy and think that they should mostly stay out of our private lives.thedoc wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:46 pmThe proper role of the government is to educate the population on the dangers of different materials and foods, but it should not be given the power to ban anything.Sir-Sister-of-Suck wrote: ↑Tue Aug 29, 2017 9:24 pm I agree with you completely that we shouldn't ban it.