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Dontaskme wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

Dontaskme wrote:
And who is that?

The person whose business it is.

You only know business ..but have you ever seen business?

I doubt very much you have seen business, if you have what does it look like?

I suppose that's 'brilliant' in your delusional mind.

If they did, they wouldn't be atheists, now would they?

Melchior wrote:If they did, they wouldn't be atheists, now would they?

Very good.

Dontaskme wrote:

Walker wrote:Well, if proof exists, then need for belief does not exist.

Thus, it boils down to perception. What exactly is it, that you are seeing?
For that matter, what is it that you are thinking?

If you think only one thought, that is an undifferentiated thought, which means that one thought is all thoughts in one.

Thus, the purported last thought of Ghandi, in word-form.

Very lucid of you Walker thanks for your comments.

Is a thought triggered by the preceding thought?

As for the thinker, who is the thinker...can I keep stepping back while asking the question until it is apparent
that there is no individual thinker apart from the thought itself?

Ayuh. Glad to help.

Thoughts come and go. Thoughts are transient.

Attention upon thoughts is like polishing the floor while the attic is on fire.

What does not change is the only truth that lies outside the realm of probability. One can chase phantoms of thoughts found then remembered then forgotten, or one can sit still with no change and no need for change until nature calls with some need or t'other.

Attention upon what does not change becomes a choiceless matter, what changes gets only what it deserves.

Melchior wrote:If they did, they wouldn't be atheists, now would they?

So they'd rather believe that they are Atheists. So it's okay for them to hold to a position of Identity such as an Atheist identity for them Self.
They believe they personally exist by identifying with an ''id label'' that's arisen in them from nowhere as their proof of existence. That's there proof of existence right?

But according to their belief, their own self imposed identity... they believe that their identity belongs to them.But they forget that they can't make the belief appear, they can't make a thought appear or an idea, or a feeling...that all these things just spontaneously arise in them unconsciously free and uninvited...and can't possibly belong to them, but believe they do all the same.
So all they are doing when claiming a belief is they are consciously creating a fictional character out of unconscious intangible ideas, and then believing those ideas as if they actually exist for real.Even though they have no idea how the belief/idea/concept arose in them...

But that they do arise at all is the only power here. That power is what's known as God to many people, that power is the only power to exist that is irrefutable.
So Atheists are simply self defeating in a sense which doesn't make a whole lot of sense to this obvious power that is existence itself knowing itself as a just and rational conscious mind that cannot be human...but only appears to be human.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: I suppose that's 'brilliant' in your delusional mind.

No person has a mind, the person (noun) is an invisible ''idea'' arising in the mind (verb) aka this (boundlessness subjective beingness )

A person is the object of unseen boundlessness subject seeing ..seeing itself as a finite object. . finite objects are not real, what's real is that in which they arise/manifest as imaged/seen by an instantaneous perception happening now and only now as this invisible seeing subject.

The mind is only delusional when it tries to explain things like what the colour red looks like...or what the taste of an orange tastes like. It can't know anything outside of the actual experiencing which is this immediate knowing EXPERIENCING ITSELF NOW. Anything known cannot know anything.

Knowledge is illusory. What is real is tacit which is ''Reality God'' or ''This The Absolute'' HERE RIGHT NOW ONLY NOW..that is not bound in timespace duality...which is JUST AN APPEARANCE IN IT

Dontaskme wrote: Knowledge is illusory.

So do us a favour and stop pretending to have any.

Dontaskme wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: I suppose that's 'brilliant' in your delusional mind.

No person has a mind, the person (noun) is an invisible ''idea'' arising in the mind (verb) aka this (boundlessness subjective beingness )

A person is the object of unseen boundlessness subject seeing ..seeing itself as a finite object. . finite objects are not real, what's real is that in which they arise/manifest as imaged/seen by an instantaneous perception happening now and only now as this invisible seeing subject.

The mind is only delusional when it tries to explain things like what the colour red looks like...or what the taste of an orange tastes like. It can't know anything outside of the actual experiencing which is this immediate knowing EXPERIENCING ITSELF NOW. Anything known cannot know anything.

Knowledge is illusory. What is real is tacit which is ''Reality God'' or ''This The Absolute'' HERE RIGHT NOW ONLY NOW..that is not bound in timespace duality...which is JUST AN APPEARANCE IN IT

'Of' is superfluous after 'outside'.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: 'Of' is superfluous after 'outside'.

Words used to define 'verb world' are crap, but divine crap nonetheless...they're just pointers.

What could possibly be 'outside' of a conscious experience?

Can the contents of awareness ever be outside of awareness?

Reality is a verb.

Dontaskme wrote: Reality is a verb.

It's a noun.

Harbal wrote:

Dontaskme wrote: Reality is a verb.

It's a noun.

ROFLMAO!!! You're silly, Harbal.

Dontaskme wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: 'Of' is superfluous after 'outside'.

Words used to define 'verb world' are crap, but divine crap nonetheless...they're just pointers.

What could possibly be 'outside' of a conscious experience?

Can the contents of awareness ever be outside of awareness?

Reality is a verb.

Are you an alter ego of Walker? Perhaps if you had a decent grasp of terran concepts like grammar and sentence structure you might be able to communicate better with the carbon-based life forms known as earthlings--useful for photonic beings such as yourself (although your terrible grammar looks suspiciously American to me).

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

Dontaskme wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: 'Of' is superfluous after 'outside'.

Words used to define 'verb world' are crap, but divine crap nonetheless...they're just pointers.

What could possibly be 'outside' of a conscious experience?

Can the contents of awareness ever be outside of awareness?

Reality is a verb.

Are you an alter ego of Walker? Perhaps if you had a decent grasp of terran concepts like grammar and sentence structure you might be able to communicate better with the carbon-based life forms known as earthlings--useful for photonic beings such as yourself (although your terrible grammar looks suspiciously American to me).

I'm just a messenger of truth. Here to dispel lies.

I don't care my granny does not meet with the expectation of the mind. My mind is pretty clear on what constitutes truth, truth is wide open on full display..lies can run but they can never hide in the light of truth.
I'm not American, see how your perceptions are always out to trick you, they never match up to how reality actually is. You project your belief into the world and actually think that's what the world is... and guess what it is, because you've created it that way, only you.

Life doesn't care a sausage about Gramma....it functions pretty finely and precise without such inference. Notice the body is never confused.

Jesus was a messenger of truth too, and look what happened to him, he willingly dies an agonising death on the cross for truth, knowing full well that truth will always win out over lies, and is why he still lives even today and that death was the lie which he proved in a most honorable exemplary dignified manner...he was reliable with the truth, and even took it upon himself to show other how through unconditional love is the only way to live a decent life, he took the ultimate litmus test himself to save others from damnation and misery.

And this is not just a story, there is ABSOLUTELY sound historical evidence to back it up, the existence of YOU

Dontaskme wrote: he took the ultimate litmus test himself to save others from damnation and misery.

You do spout some rubbish.