Good Friday

[Dubious]

...all containing the sacred four letter effect.

[Dontaskme]

Wrong!
It's mostly, for days now, in my third left toe - the double-wide one I broke stumbling, barefoot, on a patio stone in the dark.
The patio stone suffered barely a twinge.

So what's feeling the pain? ...you or the toe?

I think it starts with the toe bitterly complaining of injury to the brain which makes the brain very unhappy...and thus pain is felt!

You don't feel pain, toes don't feel pain. Everything aka Nothing feels pain ..Sensation is known instantly in the moment it arises one with the knowing. There is no room for another one to claim the sensation. Impossible to separate the feeler from the felt, the effect from the cause, the manifestation from the source.

The idea ''this is my pain'' is One (Everything) appearing in the instant moment. Impossible to separate the thought from the thinker.

This 'idea' is not what is thought, though it gives meaning to any thought. It cannot be conceptualised, for it is conception itself.

In other words, Everything and Nothing is what's 'experiencing' sensation, and not one single 'identified' thing. In other words, ''experience'' is not an ''experience'' ONLY Everything and Nothing is experiencing.

The stone, toe, nerve sensors, processor brain, and awareness were all involved ..everything is acting together, impossible to separate one thing from another, it's all one unitary action.

Any meaning associated with these words is not what is being indicated.

[Harbal]

You don't feel pain, toes don't feel pain. Everything aka Nothing feels pain ..Sensation is known instantly in the moment it arises one with the knowing. There is no room for another one to claim the sensation. Impossible to separate the feeler from the felt, the effect from the cause, the manifestation from the source.

The idea ''this is my pain'' is One (Everything) appearing in the instant moment. Impossible to separate the thought from the thinker.

This 'idea' is not what is thought, though it gives meaning to any thought. It cannot be conceptualised, for it is conception itself.

In other words, Everything and Nothing is what's 'experiencing' sensation, and not one single 'identified' thing. In other words, ''experience'' is not an ''experience'' ONLY Everything and Nothing is experiencing.

The stone, toe, nerve sensors, processor brain, and awareness were all involved ..everything is acting together, impossible to separate one thing from another, it's all one unitary action.

Any meaning associated with these words is not what is being indicated.

Why do you object to people conceptualising things in such a way as makes sense to them?

[Dontaskme]

Why do you object to people conceptualising things in such a way as makes sense to them?

Same reason you object my desire to highlight the absurdity of conceptualising the non-conceptual.
The conceptual is all made-up and not real and that makes a whole lot more sense to me. Why can't you just accept that ?

It's not Easter Bank Holiday Monday in my world, in my world there's just this ever fresh unfolding immediate unconditional eternal now where anything can happen. There is a blissful freedom with living on the edge of creation in this forever not-knowing. That's my only home, and not some man-made ''this is what I want you to believe is happening crap''

As awareness, we are a unique one of a kind never to be repeated creative expression of that infinite awareness, and yet society makes us stupid.

[Belinda]

Why do you object to people conceptualising things in such a way as makes sense to them?

Same reason you object my desire to highlight the absurdity of conceptualising the non-conceptual.
The conceptual is all made-up and not real and that makes a whole lot more sense to me. Why can't you just accept that ?

It's not Easter Bank Holiday Monday in my world, in my world there's just this ever fresh unfolding immediate unconditional eternal now where anything can happen. There is a blissful freedom with living on the edge of creation in this forever not-knowing. That's my only home, and not some man-made ''this is what I want you to believe is happening crap''

As awareness, we are a unique one of a kind never to be repeated creative expression of that infinite awareness, and yet society makes us stupid.

Why cannot the conceptual and the numinous both be true?

[Harbal]

The conceptual is all made-up and not real and that makes a whole lot more sense to me. Why can't you just accept that ?

Nobody, including you, knows what true reality is, there may not even be such a thing. The only way we can function is by taking what comes into us via our senses and turning it into concepts we find useful. Of course it's all made up but it works for us, that's the point. With a little thought we can all say what isn't really there, even though we have to behave as though it is there. As far as what really is there, you don't know any more than I do.

It's not Easter Bank Holiday Monday in my world,

That's a shame, a day off would probably do you good.

in my world there's just this ever fresh unfolding immediate unconditional eternal now where anything can happen.

Who are you trying ti kid? You still have to eat, sleep and go to the little boys room like the rest of us.

There is a blissful freedom with living on the edge of creation in this forever not-knowing. That's my only home, and not some man-made ''this is what I want you to believe is happening crap''

Then I can't help but wonder why you spend so much time tapping away on your man made computer writing posts for internet forums, just like the rest of us here who are not fortunate enough to have the "blissful freedom" that you enjoy. What's the point of having blissful freedom if you're just going to do the same stuff as everyone else?

As awareness, we are a unique one of a kind never to be repeated creative expression of that infinite awareness, and yet society makes us stupid.

If you value uniqueness why are you trying to get everyone to be the same as you?

[Dontaskme]

Why cannot the conceptual and the numinous both be true?

But true for who though?

Why does there have to be an absolute truth? wouldn't relative ideas about the absolute be another mental absurdity?

Can any thing exist that is not a known concept? Impossible to separate the knower from the known.

Everything is this conception, meaning everything is inconceivable even to itself,meaning everything is also nothing.

The ''you's'' only existence is a concept in this conception. It's all one in the same instant.

How can one thing exist? it doesn't exist, simply, no thing exists which is the same as everything exists.

There's just this simple not-knowing eternal moment being everything and nothing...there is nothing true nor false about this presence. It's just this totality presenting itself right here and now the only place there is.

...and no one knows what it is because they are it, being it.

[Dontaskme]

As awareness, we are a unique one of a kind never to be repeated creative expression of that infinite awareness, and yet society makes us stupid.

If you value uniqueness why are you trying to get everyone to be the same as you?

There is no you separate from the idea which is invisible. All ideas are known by invisible unknowable unseen awareness...aka LIGHT

...in other words no thing can be seen, only known. Therefore, the seen is the looked upon, NOT THE LOOKER


Awareness is omnipresence, omnipotence and omniscience. Meaning no other thing has power over any thing else, it's all the same light. It is shocking for the mind to realise that the body and the mind are the same light as everything else that exists, and that there is no difference between inside and outside...me or you.

This is not known by a personal 'I'
The 'I' lives personal illusory labels in the mind. But, Life is a singular, spontaneous, uncontrollable and unpredictable impersonal flow - it is self arising as evident in just being.

[Dontaskme]

a day off would probably do you good.

There are no days to have off. There's only life living itself timelessly in constant flux that cannot be stopped by man. Life is a continuous, singular movement. To take a day off would imply there is doer of an action. An action, however, is not separate from the next to make it an action. An action is illusory and not real.

[Harbal]

As awareness, we are a unique one of a kind never to be repeated creative expression of that infinite awareness, and yet society makes us stupid.

If you value uniqueness why are you trying to get everyone to be the same as you?

There is no you separate from the idea which is invisible. All ideas are known by invisible unknowable unseen awareness...aka LIGHT

...in other words no thing can be seen, only known. Therefore, the seen is the looked upon, NOT THE LOOKER


Awareness is omnipresence, omnipotence and omniscience. Meaning no other thing has power over any thing else, it's all the same light. It is shocking for the mind to realise that the body and the mind are the same light as everything else that exists, and that there is no difference between inside and outside...me or you.

This is not known by a personal 'I'
The 'I' lives personal illusory labels in the mind. But, Life is a singular, spontaneous, uncontrollable and unpredictable impersonal flow - it is self arising as evident in just being.

If this is a reply to my last post, you are addressing none of it. You just keep spouting the same stuff. You must have said everything there is to say about it, why do you just keep going on and on about the same thing?

[Harbal]

There are no days to have off. There's only life living itself timelessly in constant flux that cannot be stopped by man. Life is a continuous, singular movement. To take a day off would imply there is doer of an action. An action, however, is not separate from the next to make it an action. An action is illusory and not real.

Nevertheless, I've got a day off and I'm getting paid for it so, in that respect, at least, I would say I have an advantage over you.

[Dontaskme]

Nevertheless, I've got a day off and I'm getting paid for it so, in that respect, at least, I would say I have an advantage over you.

Life is heaven on earth for the one who understands that life is manifesting man as an illusory doer. And that the Man who identified himself as apart from the rest of nature has artificially imposed an imaginary world in which he plays the role of a beggar in his own free kingdom.

[Dontaskme]

You just keep spouting the same stuff. You must have said everything there is to say about it, why do you just keep going on and on about the same thing?

But don't you see that it is not I doing it? rather, it's just what's appearing in me as words and images?

Is there a world outside of me that I am living in...or....is there no me to live in the world out there, rather,there's just the world appearing in me here? ...how can we possibly know the difference....just where the heck is the boundary between out and in? where is the exact dividing line that separates here from there?

The YOU is simply not in the world; the world is in you...it's in all of us..us being the same one you appearing as different worlds..or many you's.

Test the theory for yourself...When you open your eyes in the morning the world appears, and when you go to sleep at night it disappears even though when you are asleep you are still existing? And that it is the same person who exists in sleep who also exists in the waking state? Therefore, if during the night the world seems to disappear, and if who you really are continues to exist when the world no longer seems to, it can only mean that you, the person you imagine yourself to be in the morning, are an illusion.

We are all the same one expressing ourself differently that's all.

[Harbal]

You just keep spouting the same stuff. You must have said everything there is to say about it, why do you just keep going on and on about the same thing?

But don't you see that it is not I doing it? rather, it's just what's appearing in me as words and images?

Is there a world outside of me that I am living in...or....is there no me to live in the world out there, rather,there's just the world appearing in me here? ...how can we possibly know the difference....just where the heck is the boundary between out and in? where is the exact dividing line that separates here from there?

The YOU is simply not in the world; the world is in you...it's in all of us..us being the same one you appearing as different worlds..or many you's.

Test the theory for yourself...When you open your eyes in the morning the world appears, and when you go to sleep at night it disappears even though when you are asleep you are still existing? And that it is the same person who exists in sleep who also exists in the waking state? Therefore, if during the night the world seems to disappear, and if who you really are continues to exist when the world no longer seems to, it can only mean that you, the person you imagine yourself to be in the morning, are an illusion.

We are all the same one expressing ourself differently that's all.

I rest my case.

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Why does unspecific unknowing nowness require so many words?