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henry quirk wrote:Mannie,

Being an indifferent (incompassionate) sort, I don't care that all manner of folks (young or old) off themselves. There's only so much of me to go around, only so much open real estate between my ears. My concerns are focused on the small number of people in this world I love. The rest can get bent (or eat lead).

And, no, I don't wanna pay for their funerals any more than I wanna pay for their reassignment.

Fair enough, Henry. Though I never quite believe your gruffness. For all of that, you've never seemed unkind; and while I believe what you say is true, I wouldn't be worried about somebody not finding you sympathetic if they really needed help -- I just don't sense that's who you are.

Hey, maybe I'm wrong? But I don't think so.

What's interesting, though, is these whining Lefties who want us all to "normalize" transgenderism, and advocate doing so on the basis of "compassion" or "humanity." How "compassionate" is denying confused or mentally-ill people any help, so that they can just go and kill themselves at nearly a 50% rate?

So yeah, let's not pay for Leftist stupidity, right? And I would just say that the mentally-ill shouldn't have to pay for it either.

Immanuel Can wrote:

henry quirk wrote:No, you don't have to get upset about trannies (there's always gonna be crazy people in the world) but you may wanna view an increasing acceptance and promotion of trannies as a symptom of rot, and that should alarm you.

Heh. Good ol' Henry.

Reports of suicide attempts of the mentally ill and of pre-trangendered people are identical, at 41%.

Post-transgender-surgery suicide-attempt rates are 45%.

Black people, who have existed in far larger numbers and have experienced much more egregious discrimination over a much longer period and much more, have the lowest suicide rate of polled ethnicities (Centre for Disease Control). Whites, who have experienced the least discrimination, have the highest suicide-attempt, but it's only just under 5%. So much for the "discrimination is the problem" rubbish.

70-80% of children who at one point experience attraction to transgenderism grow out of it. (Johns Hopkins)

So should we be concerned that mentally-ill and young people are killing themselves, not because of discrimination, but because of probably-temporary confusions? Should we be concerned that the Left wants to "normalize" mentally-unhealthy people killing themselves?

Only if we have any compassion. If not, we can be permissive of that.

I might have guessed you would would crawl out from under your rock for this. I assume you are referring to the US? I doubt if the fa fa fine suicide rate in Samoa would be very high. They are a treasured part of the community. Samoa is also a very religious country.

Cuz: We're *America, that's why.









*the sum of all that is wrong in the universe

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

henry quirk wrote:Mel,

If you mean trannies don't exist, obviously you're wrong. There's a whole whack of seriously fucked up folks who believe their junk is wrong and who'll mutiilate themselves chemically, hormonally, surgically to 'set things right'.

If you mean instead that men who think they're women are -- to be kind about it -- just plain wrong and are suffering with a disease of the thinking, then -- yeah -- 'there is no such thing'.

The suicide rate for them is very high in the US? Gosh, I wonder why that would be.

And the suicide rate is very high for Japanese and other groups. I wonder why that would be?

PhilX

"I would just say that the mentally-ill shouldn't have to pay for it either."

Here's a wild notion: let he or she who needs psychiatric care, pay for the psychiatric care (out of their pocket or by way of whatever insurance plan they subscribe to).

Me: all tapped out.


And: sure, I'll help Joe change out his flat as he stands there in his frilly dress, but I'm gonna call him 'Joe' not 'Josephine'.

Fa'afafine: wow...accepted lunacy...no need for them to off themselves, Veg...literally, a whole culture is catering to them...pretty much any deviant would love such treatment...pedos in particular.

henry quirk wrote:"I would just say that the mentally-ill shouldn't have to pay for it either."

Here's a wild notion: let he or she who needs psychiatric care, pay for the psychiatric care (out of their pocket or by way of whatever insurance plan they subscribe to).

Me: all tapped out.


And: sure, I'll help Joe change out his flat as he stands there in his frilly dress, but I'm gonna call him 'Joe' not 'Josephine'.

I've never understood your popularity on here, although 'popular' doesn't mean a heck of a lot anywhere. Stalin was popular too.

Yours is not to understand...simply accept me into your heart and love me as your personal savior.

henry quirk wrote:Fa'afafine: wow...accepted lunacy...no need for them to off themselves, Veg...literally, a whole culture is catering to them...pretty much any deviant would love such treatment...pedos in particular.

They aren't perverts. In fact, in fact it has nothing to do with sexual desires. And I don't know who thought up the stupid word 'paedophile'. Those shit-heads don't love children.

henry quirk wrote:And: sure, I'll help Joe change out his flat as he stands there in his frilly dress, but I'm gonna call him 'Joe' not 'Josephine'.

Ha! I knew it. Hard on the outside, with a chewy centre.

I think we should just figure by chromosome. If someone's got a "Y," then there's a "why" he's got it.

I like the comment made by Ben Shapiro, when he was asked if Bruce Gender was really a woman. He said, "Every cell in that man's body is male, with the presumed exception of some of his sperm."

Nice. That gives us a very accurate well of telling whether we owe him a "Humanitarian" Award, or just some really good professional counselling.

The samoan he-shes are psychologically deviant.

Use 'child rapist' instead of pedo, if that's better for ya.

henry quirk wrote:The samoan he-shes are psychologically deviant.

Use 'child rapist' instead of pedo, if that's better for ya.

Actually I agree that Jenner is not a woman. Some people you just can't put in a neat box. But he certainly doesn't come across as perverted in any way. I can't say the same about kkkristians like IC.

Poor Bruce.

I have great sympathy for him, disordered head and all.

The greatest kindness would have been immediate committing to the local Bedlam (or, Arkham, if your literary sensibilities skew that way).

henry quirk wrote:Poor Bruce.

I have great sympathy for him, disordered head and all.

The greatest kindness would have been immediate committing to the local Bedlam (or, Arkham, if your literary sensibilities skew that way).

He's not harming anyone.

Veg,

When I say deviant I mean skewed in an unhealthy way from the baseline.

When i say pervert I mean sick twistoid who ought to get a taste of the business end of a baseball bat.

Child rapers are perverts; trannies are just deviant.

Harm the first (if you can); help the second (by breaking the delusion [not catering to it]).


No, he's not harming any one. So, the question is: is it humane to let insane people wallow in their disease, or is it humane to try and bring 'em back to the world of 'what is' (where one's nethers are sumthin' more than lego pieces waitin' to be swapped out)?

Me: stumped. On one hand, I just wanna wash my hands of the lot (Pilate-like); on the other, I wanna extend some of that compassion Mannie sez I got.

It's a quandry.