MozartLink wrote:I would like to talk about people who have no empathy at all for others whatsoever (narcissist sociopaths).
Empathy don't exist, it's a lie, or something with not even a good definition. Otherwise, everybody has empathy. But even the worse internet psichologys woul say that with the labels you said (narcisists, and sociopaths) those people have feelings and can understand other people feelings. Psichopaths (not very used definition in psichiatry, not well defined either) are the ones who sometimes don't have some kind of feelings. the same for some autistic people.
Some would say that you can still be a good person even if you are one and help out others anyway, but I find this to be an unrealistic expectation because doing such deeds presupposes empathy in the first place which the narcissist sociopath does not have.
No. Being good or bad for other people is a matter of what you do, not a matter of what you feel. Being good with other people can be useful to people who can't feel things like the simplification usually called "friendship" or things like that. Even if you don't want to use a human as a friend, you can exchange things with that person, and it's better to see that person functional. Most of people do their jobs with no empathy. And avoiding conflict is usually a good think. Of course, if nobody is going to catch them, they can lie. But with that measure... more than half of the world are psichopahts.
Really, it would be no different than going up to someone and harming him/her when you were just fine and happy with that individual. There had to be a reason for you doing that. You must of had some anger or resentment towards that person, otherwise there would be no reason for you harming him/her. Same thing applies to the situation of a narcissist sociopath.
Not at all. You can want a person to fear you, so that you can take controll, or avoid future attacks from that person. But as I said, sociopaths are not psichopaths. And sociopaths and narcisists are different things too. (Also, bad defined...). A narcisist person is one who think that he or she deserve to do everything, and is obsessed with attention, social standards, etc. A socipath is someone who have a non accepted behavoiur in society that cause harm to people. They can be sociopaths in the name of altruism or natureand don't want any recognition, many of them are that way.
In other words, if the narcissist sociopath is going to help others, make the world a better place, etc. then there had to be a reason for him/her doing that. He/she must of had some empathy in doing these deeds, otherwise there would be no reason for him/her doing these deeds at all. Or he/she could just be doing it for his/her own personal gain.
Everybody do everything for his (evidently own) personal gain. If you are in a bar, keep the waitress happy.
So how can you blame people like Hitler if these types of people truly had no empathy at all? To expect him to change, not harm the Jews, and do good in the world presupposes empathy which he does not have. So really, he did not have the choice in the matter and if he did do so anyway, then he would either be doing it for no reason at all or he would just be doing it for his own personal gain.
Hitler was not very different to the common human. And people can blame him like this, take a look: "I blame you!"
