Crime and Punishment

[Lacewing]

I don't know if anyone has already posted a link to this chart by PolitiFact of "Who Lies More", but it's pretty funny.

http://mannmetrics.com/

[artisticsolution]

I have noticed for quite a while how most people are so quick to punish the slightest indiscretion

I'm not sure what sorts of things you're referring to there, but I doubt it describes any disposition I have.

That's encouraging to hear, Terrapin. Welcome to the forum.

[artisticsolution]

I don't know if anyone has already posted a link to this chart by PolitiFact of "Who Lies More", but it's pretty funny.

http://mannmetrics.com/

That's pretty funny, Lacewing. I don't think anything will get through to republicans. I thought that surely George Bush Jr. would wake them up...but no...then I thought...well, they should see their folly when they chose lil Darlin Sarah Palin as their poster girl...un uh...nope...then I thought...well...there ya go...Donald Trump for sure they will finally see the ridiculousness of their party...nope. Well, I guess a few have. There are finally a few republicans stepping up and saying their party is a joke and jumping ship....the smart classy ones.

I am just amazed at how many still cling to a candidate they hardly know anything about. I am incredulous they can be told of the warning signs and still refuse to look any closer and then are dumbfounded when their pick screws up so badly they get tossed out by their own party, only to be replaced by another of the same! Bush, Palin, Trump, ...buffoon after buffoon...each tossed aside for the latest new version of the other.

Where is the judgment of character? Where is the analysis? Where is the common sense?

If someone voted for George W. Bush, what makes them think they are qualified to choose the next president of the united states?

[Walker]

Where is the judgment of character? Where is the analysis? Where is the common sense?

Where partisan bigotry is not. Ever been there?

Where’s the answer to this question after eight+ years, and do you even know the implications?
http://www.rense.com/general87/simpleq.htm

[Lacewing]

If someone voted for George W. Bush, what makes them think they are qualified to choose the next president of the united states?

I agree with all you said in your post. After George W., I thought that everyone who voted for him should be prohibited from voting in the next election cycle. (Or maybe forever.)

And now it makes NO SENSE that anyone is supporting Trump for any reason. Not even his family should be supporting what he is saying and doing. It is beyond outrageous and insane. I think there's seriously something wrong with him mentally. He babbles mindlessly and repetitively... and makes up shit constantly. I think his supporters must surely have gone mad with willful blindness.

And to watch the Republican party leaders try to decide which side of the line to stand on, like weak complacent fools, while it destroys their own integrity and reputation for all time, but they want to "win" that bad! Yes, it shows where their priorities are: "Winning" instead of honor and integrity; "Winning" instead of honesty; "Winning" instead of sanity!! Yikes! For that, they should lose their jobs.

I think there should be 3-5 parties equally represented in every election cycle, and within the higher branches of government and the supreme court. The two-party system is a toxic monopoly.

[sthitapragya]

If someone voted for George W. Bush, what makes them think they are qualified to choose the next president of the united states?

I agree with all you said in your post. After George W., I thought that everyone who voted for him should be prohibited from voting in the next election cycle. (Or maybe forever.)

And now it makes NO SENSE that anyone is supporting Trump for any reason. Not even his family should be supporting what he is saying and doing. It is beyond outrageous and insane. I think there's seriously something wrong with him mentally. He babbles mindlessly and repetitively... and makes up shit constantly. I think his supporters must surely have gone mad with willful blindness.

And to watch the Republican party leaders try to decide which side of the line to stand on, like weak complacent fools, while it destroys their own integrity and reputation for all time, but they want to "win" that bad! Yes, it shows where their priorities are: "Winning" instead of honor and integrity; "Winning" instead of honesty; "Winning" instead of sanity!! Yikes! For that, they should lose their jobs.

I think there should be 3-5 parties equally represented in every election cycle, and within the higher branches of government and the supreme court. The two-party system is a toxic monopoly.

I think you forget that most people look at only selfish and narrow interests when deciding who to vote for. I know a lot of Indians who migrated just 15 years ago to the USA and who are now anti-immigrant and therefore voting for Trump. They don't seem to think that they themselves might become targets soon. They don't remember how recently they themselves emigrated from another country and were welcomed by the US. We all know a lot of people who vote for an incompetent cousin or uncle or acquaintance who might be a candidate just because he might be of some use to them. Lack of education and just narrow mindedness is rampant and those can be deciding factors in elections.

[artisticsolution]

Well written Lacewing and sthitapragya. I agree.

I've been thinking about people who are quick to punish for every little thing. It seems to me that they make a prison for themselves. The emotional Rollercoaster, always being on gaurd, lest someone get the best of them. The anger and resentment also means less time for productive thoughts...i.e. work, hobbies, charitable kindnesses, etc. Not to mention the time wasted thinking how to punish...planning, pouting, exaggerating details to melodramatic proportions...yes...like Trump and his supporters paint Obama and Hillary out to be the devil.

Really? As bad as the devil?

The only way we knowe a person is by what they say and do. Show me a quote by Trump that is not complaining, insulting, negative? They are few and far between.

In stark contrast, show me a quote by Obama that is complaining, insulting and negative. They are few and far between.

If it waddles like a duck, quacks like a duck...must be a duck.

[thedoc]

I think there should be 3-5 parties equally represented in every election cycle, and within the higher branches of government and the supreme court. The two-party system is a toxic monopoly.

If you want more than 2 political parties, then you need to support the other parties. There are 2 primary one's now because the people are supporting 2 major parties. The other parties are minor because they don't have the membership and support. Quit whining about the system that is, and do something about it.

[Lacewing]

If you want more than 2 political parties, then you need to support the other parties.

Well, I have done that... but I don't think that's all there is to it. Grass roots success only goes so far because the system only lets it go so far. I'm adding my voice to many others of what I think the alternative should be going forward -- which seems timely to comment on, as the current system seems to be coming undone. And I'll whine if I want to about the current system, thank you -- but I was NOT actually whining. I'm not a whiner.

[thedoc]

If you want more than 2 political parties, then you need to support the other parties.

Well, I have done that... but I don't think that's all there is to it. Grass roots success only goes so far because the system only lets it go so far. I'm adding my voice to many others of what I think the alternative should be going forward -- which seems timely to comment on, as the current system seems to be coming undone. And I'll whine if I want to about the current system, thank you -- but I was NOT actually whining. I'm not a whiner.

If you're actually doing something, good for you. You need to put your support where your ideals are.

[Walker]

From the fertile, creative mind and talent of Artist Michael Ramirez.

[artisticsolution]

But the facts are, Clinton has not been convicted of anything. I thought part of what 'made America great' is the ' innocent until proven guilty' thing?

[Lacewing]

I thought part of what 'made America great' is the ' innocent until proven guilty' thing?

Yeh, along with "welcoming immigrants", and "separation of church and state", and "land of the free" (except for all of the laws and rules and debts). They were good ideas.

[Walker]

But the facts are, Clinton has not been convicted of anything. I thought part of what 'made America great' is the ' innocent until proven guilty' thing?

If only husbands could use that defense how bout it.

Check this out. Trump recently threatened to ban The New York Times from his press conferences.



Trump is well aware of the outrage this will cause. By so saying he is highlighting how the grand dame of American journalism has sold out to the corporate interests of Mexican multi-billionaire Carlos Slim who could buy and sell Trump with his walking-around money. As far as the integrity inherent to truth which defines the ideal of journalism goes, with brevity and bluntness Trump is highlighting how the NYT has become little more than a mouthpiece for said interests which saved from insolvency the rag that rides on the old name.

[artisticsolution]

But the facts are, Clinton has not been convicted of anything. I thought part of what 'made America great' is the ' innocent until proven guilty' thing?

If only husbands could use that defense how bout it.

Check this out. Trump recently threatened to ban The New York Times from his press conferences.



Trump is well aware of the outrage this will cause. By so saying he is highlighting how the grand dame of American journalism has sold out to the corporate interests of Mexican multi-billionaire Carlos Slim who could buy and sell Trump with his walking-around money. As far as the integrity inherent to truth which defines the ideal of journalism goes, with brevity and bluntness Trump is highlighting how the NYT has become little more than a mouthpiece for said interests which saved from insolvency the rag that rides on the old name.

Trump IS the corporate interests.