Philosophy Now Forum

uwot wrote:

Nick_A wrote:1. Prebirth: Potential – The child who has not yet been born could become anything – a Michaelangelo, a Shakespeare, a Martin Luther King –

Or, tragically, a Nick_A.

What about a sperm? Nick should be held accountable for genocide for every time he has masturbated. A sperm has life and each one is a potential Michelangelo too, isn't it? Nick, by your own theory, you have ignored pre-pre-birth and you have killed billions of children.

Oh, I see Veg got there before me. But I will repeat it anyway.

Nick_A wrote:
As a red blooded, broad shouldered, long nosed, Aries male, I am concerned with the female orgasm. I don’t see what this has to do with this topic. It seems to me though that there is something unnatural about people who are closed to the value of the life cycle.

You are a closed minded p****. Let us see if you can get this. If I personally were a woman and got pregnant, I would never have an abortion. But I still believe that it is for every woman to decide on her own what to do with her pregnancy. It is called minding my own bloody business and respecting the other person. Having a baby is not a simple thing which you simply classify as "face the consequences for your actions". Having a baby is a life long commitment and there are a lot of realities of life one has to face, the most important being the quality of life you will give the baby.

These are things you will never consider because to you your opinion should be law. I will repeat, I personally would not have an abortion but I will still support and respect a woman's decision to do so. Can you get that through your mammoth sized ego? The world is not about your opinions and wishes. my opinion does not make me a noble person and everyone who disagrees evil killers of babies.

sthitapragya wrote: If I personally were a woman and got pregnant, I would never have an abortion.

How the heck would you know that? You aren't a woman, and you are never going to get pregnant. Well if I were a black man, I would never break wind in front of the pope.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

sthitapragya wrote: If I personally were a woman and got pregnant, I would never have an abortion.

How the heck would you know that? You aren't a woman, and you are never going to get pregnant. Well if I were a black man, I would never break wind in front of the pope.

Well, see? There you go.

sthitapragya wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

sthitapragya wrote: If I personally were a woman and got pregnant, I would never have an abortion.

How the heck would you know that? You aren't a woman, and you are never going to get pregnant. Well if I were a black man, I would never break wind in front of the pope.

Well, see? There you go.

I think Nick is the result of a botched backstreet abortion by a Jamaican voodoo witch doctor, and he's hated women ever since.

Vege wrote:

I think Nick is the result of a botched backstreet abortion by a Jamaican voodoo witch doctor, and he's hated women ever since.

Just as I thought. Vege has an obvious bias against Jamaicans. I think you are eating too many vegetables. You must eat more meat to balance out your personality. Then you might stop hating Jamaicans.

vege wrote:

I don't think anyone here buys that you are acting out tender maternal feelings for the well-being of embryos Nick_A. You think anyone believes you are more maternal than mothers? Give me a break.

It isn't a matter of being more maternal but rather being realistic. For example people have argued about late stage abortion. If the babies head is still in the woman it can be killed but once it pops out it cannot be legally killed . so the goal is to kill the baby while its head is still in the mother.

Obviously there is no essential difference between a baby whose head is inside a woman or outside so freedom to kill is just an arbitrary decision. Why do this to the mother? Why inflict an unwanted parasite on an innocent woman? Why not give her a two week waiting period after it is born to decide if she wants to keep the baby or have it killed? It is a product of a woman's body. shouldn't she have this right? Vege, you would be lacking in compassion towards women if you object to the two week waiting period,