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I don't know what 'all' those voters were thinking but I know enough of the proles who voted out to have asked them why.vegetariantaxidermy wrote:How do you know what all those voters were thinking?
I suppose it's pc to complain about ex-soviets but not about muslims. The world is mad.Arising_uk wrote:I don't know what 'all' those voters were thinking but I know enough of the proles who voted out to have asked them why.vegetariantaxidermy wrote:How do you know what all those voters were thinking?
The world belongs to all of us. There should be no borders...there should be no countries. It should be our right to roam the earth when and where we want.Arising_uk wrote:What are you talking about? Immigration was a major concern but it's about jobs, pay and services not religion.vegetariantaxidermy wrote:I suppose you don't mind seeing people beheaded in the street. Perhaps you deserve sharia then.
It's about protecting Y(our) Self.artisticsolution wrote: There should be no borders...there should be no countries. It should be our right to roam the earth when and where we want.
I guess it depends upon what country one is from as to what is PC and what is not. If one were from Russia, then it would maybe be PC to dis Muslims but not to dis "ex-soviets". Here in the US, where I am from, we have our share of issues with bigotry and nationalism as much as many other countries and peoples do. However, as far as I am concerned it's sort of a morally depraved person who throws rocks at other people because of the country those other people are from and then hides behind anonymity as to what country they themselves are from.vegetariantaxidermy wrote:I suppose it's pc to complain about ex-soviets but not about muslims. The world is mad.Arising_uk wrote:I don't know what 'all' those voters were thinking but I know enough of the proles who voted out to have asked them why.vegetariantaxidermy wrote:How do you know what all those voters were thinking?
Doesn't matter, we're leaving and any party that tries to go against this will be toast. An irony is that they haven't told the 'people' that this referendum was not made a binding one, so it has to be ratified by Parliament first and in theory they could not do so, but like I said toast and the rise of a even further right-wing party. The main issue we face is that the brexiteers have led the outers to believe stuff that they probably won't be able to fulfill and the backlash to that may cause an even more extreme shift to the right. The British working class have never been fascist but historically British Nationalism can be a very nasty thing and whilst slow to rouse, once done so, they can be a very troublesome rabble.henry quirk wrote:Heard, still hearing, a lot on the exit...whole whack of folks for and against...all manner of dire consequence or heavenly reward foisted up as a result of leaving or staying. ...
France might but the Germans are more pragmatic. Another irony is that this may well cause the EU to become more like the tories wanted but we'll be outside of the decision making process.Being a horrid, 'does not play well with others', type, I think the UK will (over the long haul) profit from the exit...in the short term, however, Britain will suffer (the EU is gonna try real hard to punish the UK).
For sure the markets are just being the markets.Hunker down and wait it out.
Why should we complain about Muslims? There have been issues with the Pakistani influx a few decades ago and these are still ongoing but by-an-large they have been an asset to the country and have not caused any huge social problems. This has been changing slightly since we've got involved in the Oil debacles but still a pretty peaceful and hard-working part of Britain.vegetariantaxidermy wrote:I suppose it's pc to complain about ex-soviets but not about muslims. The world is mad.
You don't count bombings and beheadings then? 'Honour killings'? Rapes? Fatwas? Suicide bombers? Cartoonist murders? Which bubble are you living in?Arising_uk wrote:Why should we complain about Muslims? There have been issues with the Pakistani influx a few decades ago and these are still ongoing but by-an-large they have been an asset to the country and have not caused any huge social problems. This has been changing slightly since we've got involved in the Oil debacles but still a pretty peaceful and hard-working part of Britain.vegetariantaxidermy wrote:I suppose it's pc to complain about ex-soviets but not about muslims. The world is mad.
That's rather naive, and extremely bad for the planet. People do 'roam where they please' (as the massive influx recently into Europe shows), but those countries don't have the resources to cope with it. You live in a house don't you? You think of it as your home, presumably, and feel some pride and affection for it? Perhaps some people down the street don't have a very nice house. They haven't looked after it. They've had far too many children for the size of the house and haven't bothered to keep it clean and maintained. I assume you have an open-door policy regarding your house, and it's open to everyone who wants to live there. How long do you think it would remain habitable?artisticsolution wrote:The world belongs to all of us. There should be no borders...there should be no countries. It should be our right to roam the earth when and where we want.Arising_uk wrote:What are you talking about? Immigration was a major concern but it's about jobs, pay and services not religion.vegetariantaxidermy wrote:I suppose you don't mind seeing people beheaded in the street. Perhaps you deserve sharia then.
Criminals are criminals no matter race, religion, culture, etc. They will always exist. You just deal with them on a case by case basis as you do those of your own ilk.
Denying humanity a chance to live free, is, as hhp puts it, "motivated by the same petty impulse to protect ourselves against foreigners". the idea of a territorial world is an emotionally driven idea, which has not/does not serve humanity well. It's time we change the way we think or continue to live in a terror-torial world.
It's amazing to me, how many people hate Trump's immigration plan but then participate/advocate similar plans...I don't get it.
It's not 'secret', just none of your damn business. Not everyone likes to spill their guts publicly the way yanks do. Did you really think we needed to know your life story and mental problems? And you were the one saying how you 'love our troops'. You really are too stupid to converse with. You don't mind your beloved troops going off to murder muslims and destroy their countries (because you love them), yet you come over all PC and self-righteous when someone criticises muslims. Yes, it's not their fault that the US and GB has destroyed their countries, so it's only fair that the US and GB take every last asylum-seeker. I'm sure you agree.Gary Childress wrote: I guess it depends upon what country one is from as to what is PC and what is not. If one were from Russia, then it would maybe be PC to dis Muslims but not to dis "ex-soviets". Here in the US, where I am from, we have our share of issues with bigotry and nationalism as much as many other countries and peoples do. However, as far as I am concerned it's sort of a morally depraved person who throws rocks at other people because of the country those other people are from and then hides behind anonymity as to what country they themselves are from.
BTW: Any chance you are part of this gang, VT? I mean, if you are from Russia, that is cool. Maybe we can exchange ideas and learn to respect one another's countries. We are all human beings and have our human cares and concerns. All of us are thrown into this world not of our own design and we don't choose what country we are from.
I do mind being involved in unjust wars. I thought I had made that clear on more than one occasion here. If not, must I disclose everything about myself or are stereotypes enough for you in dealing with other people.vegetariantaxidermy wrote:It's not 'secret', just none of your damn business. Not everyone likes to spill their guts publicly the way yanks do. Did you really think we needed to know your life story and mental problems? And you were the one saying how you 'love our troops'. You are too stupid to converse with. You don't mind them going off to murder muslims and destroy their countries, yet you come over all PC and self-righteous when someone criticises them.Gary Childress wrote: I guess it depends upon what country one is from as to what is PC and what is not. If one were from Russia, then it would maybe be PC to dis Muslims but not to dis "ex-soviets". Here in the US, where I am from, we have our share of issues with bigotry and nationalism as much as many other countries and peoples do. However, as far as I am concerned it's sort of a morally depraved person who throws rocks at other people because of the country those other people are from and then hides behind anonymity as to what country they themselves are from.
BTW: Any chance you are part of this gang, VT? I mean, if you are from Russia, that is cool. Maybe we can exchange ideas and learn to respect one another's countries. We are all human beings and have our human cares and concerns. All of us are thrown into this world not of our own design and we don't choose what country we are from.
Still got more chance of being run over by a bus. You think we should have condemned all the Irish then? As for 30 odd years of my life we had terrorism over here.vegetariantaxidermy wrote:You don't count bombings and beheadings then? 'Honour killings'? Rapes? Fatwas? Suicide bombers? Cartoonist murders? Which bubble are you living in?