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SpheresOfBalance wrote:

marjoram_blues wrote:Bettany on Marx- Thurs 16th June; Nietzsche, 23rd; Freud 30th.
Available on BBC iPlayer for 30 days.
BBC 4 - Genius of the Modern World.

Can us Americans watch this somehow? If so, how, please? Thank you!

I don't know, Spheres. You would have to google and try for yourself...

marjoram_blues wrote:

SpheresOfBalance wrote:

marjoram_blues wrote:Bettany on Marx- Thurs 16th June; Nietzsche, 23rd; Freud 30th.
Available on BBC iPlayer for 30 days.
BBC 4 - Genius of the Modern World.

Can us Americans watch this somehow? If so, how, please? Thank you!

I don't know, Spheres. You would have to google and try for yourself...

So I should search for Bettany? Is there a name for the series?

No worries, I found it, and I can't due to rights.

SpheresOfBalance wrote:
No worries, I found it, and I can't due to rights.

That's a nuisance - perhaps someone has you-tubed it illegally? Otherwise, Wikipedia probably has more substance...even if not as entertaining. Which of the 3 and their so-called 'game-changing' ideas are you most interested in?

If I note something from the series that really grabs me in an eye-opening way, I'll bring it here...

SpheresOfBalance wrote: Can us Americans watch this somehow? If so, how, please? Thank you!

This should be the beginning of it. re Marx. No doubt the rest will follow. For how long available is another question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6AqMU-nggM

marjoram_blues wrote:Bettany on Marx- Thurs 16th June; Nietzsche, 23rd; Freud 30th.
Available on BBC iPlayer for 30 days.
BBC 4 - Genius of the Modern World.

Thanks - I think I might have missed this first time round.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

marjoram_blues wrote:Bettany on Marx- Thurs 16th June; Nietzsche, 23rd; Freud 30th.
Available on BBC iPlayer for 30 days.
BBC 4 - Genius of the Modern World.

Thanks - I think I might have missed this first time round.

For my money the four architects of the 20thC never lived in the 20thC: Marx, Darwin, Mill, and Nietsche.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
For my money the four architects of the 20thC never lived in the 20thC: Marx, Darwin, Mill, and Nietsche.

What about Freud?

MusicalSpirit wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
For my money the four architects of the 20thC never lived in the 20thC: Marx, Darwin, Mill, and Nietsche.

What about Freud?

He lived IN the 20thC.
Freud is the next on the list, for influence.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

marjoram_blues wrote:Bettany on Marx- Thurs 16th June; Nietzsche, 23rd; Freud 30th.
Available on BBC iPlayer for 30 days.
BBC 4 - Genius of the Modern World.

Thanks - I think I might have missed this first time round.

For my money the four architects of the 20thC never lived in the 20thC: Marx, Darwin, Mill, and Nietsche.

Saw it - liked it, but not deep enough. Could have asked more questions and left out some biographical trivia.
There is a BBC tendency to dumbing down, she ought to have recognised that her audience was already there with most of the details.
Looking forward to Nietzsche.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

MusicalSpirit wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
For my money the four architects of the 20thC never lived in the 20thC: Marx, Darwin, Mill, and Nietsche.

What about Freud?

He lived IN the 20thC.
Freud is the next on the list, for influence.

Ah, yes indeed. I thought you were discounting Freud's influence. American culture in particular changed drastically in the 1920s thanks in large part to Freud's theories.

marjoram_blues wrote:

SpheresOfBalance wrote:
No worries, I found it, and I can't due to rights.

That's a nuisance - perhaps someone has you-tubed it illegally? Otherwise, Wikipedia probably has more substance...even if not as entertaining. Which of the 3 and their so-called 'game-changing' ideas are you most interested in?

If I note something from the series that really grabs me in an eye-opening way, I'll bring it here...

Actually I'm interested in watching all three parts. I believe I could benefit from each of the stories. But thanks MB you're such a sweetie! Who knows, many BBC programs make it over here via PBS sooner or later, maybe I'll get lucky and bump into them one day.

Dubious wrote:

SpheresOfBalance wrote: Can us Americans watch this somehow? If so, how, please? Thank you!

This should be the beginning of it. re Marx. No doubt the rest will follow. For how long available is another question.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6AqMU-nggM

Thanks, Dubious, I'll check it out.

Watched the rest of the series and I can't recall a single standout moment. Perhaps it was me. And the wine. And not paying attention...

Not chewy enough, I think.

Are we talking about two different series here, came into the thread a bit late. Guess it takes some googling to find it for central scandinavians. Sounds interesting.

Btw those who rule out socialism because of Sowiet is as stupid as the 17 th century people who ruled out Platon and Aristoteles because they didn't do experiments, like. Philosophy is really not about finding truths, it's about seekin paths to truth where the going is tough. Platon (or rather Sokrates) seldom claims to have found universal truths in the dialogs, he explores new areas.

And Marx had a lot of good things to say, even though he can be read as a victim of historicism. For me, he makes a lot of sense. In that history is about the work people do. When someone goes on about "what I want to do with my life", people I meet, people on radios, blogs and stuff, I immediately think "who of your parents or grandparents were of the upper classes". For guys like me, with no upper class in my background, the answer is simple, "get a job".

But I will try to findthe series(es?). Or isnt there some kind om BBC play app? Might be worth a few pounds.

The youtube link is still working. Watched half of it now, She's quite a "milf", but apart from that, It's all Wikipedia stuff. I'm going to look it through, it's well done and amusing. But if you want to go to another level, get a copy of "the free society and it's enemies", by Popper and read(it all, but most importantly) the critique of Marx by Popper. There more things fall into place. Read it, and then ponder upon Brexit, globalization, cheap chinese workers... Things start to make sense.

Edit: Finished it now, better towards the end, some good discussions around his ideas. Definitely see-worthy. But Popper takes on Marx in a more ingenious way.

By the way, I would say that I have seen something that could be described as a good world according to Marx, and it also was a very good time and place to live in - Social Democrat Central Scandinavia in the late 70's and early 80's. Things have, as in most western countries deteriorated since then, the world is a much more complicated place now. But if the world can get into that state, we might have found the nirvana he was looking for.