Jean-Dominique Bauby & The Hell We Exist In

[Dontaskme]

True knowledge exists in knowing that you know nothing.

[Dontaskme]

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I post. Unabashedly.

I am a philosopher, a true philosopher... I do not position myself for the by and large.

I comfort, hold, and protect Sophia...against all and any odds.





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By those who love her she is readily seen,

And found by those who look for her...

in every thought of theirs, she comes to meet them.

-Wisdom of Solomon 6:12 and 16

[Arising_uk]

I comfort, hold, and protect Sophia...against all and any odds. .

That's a laugh, as it's not odds that is the issue with a lot of your posts it's the logical contradictions and as such your 'wisdom' appears to be to keep promoting falsehoods. Add to that that you appear to think there is wisdom in using others pain and anguish to promote your own tawdry agenda I think you far from wise.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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I post. Unabashedly.

I am a philosopher, a true philosopher... I do not position myself for the by and large.





I comfort, hold, and protect Sophia...against all and any odds.





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[Arising_uk]

Bill is correct.

Existence is hell.

Except I myself wouldn't call existence anything at all, except what it is without interpretation ..and by that standard this also could possibly be seen as a living hell to those searching for literal meaning and purpose. ...

Wow! A contradiction in the opening lines. So if one doesn't seek a literal meaning and purpose there is no 'hell' then?

Remember folks..what happened to Adam and Eve after they ate from the tree of knowledge, they were instantly banished from paradise.

But for why? As it was not because they ate from the Tree of Knowledge but from fear that they might then eat from the Tree of Life.

If life is eternal light flashing in and out of existence forever eternally appearing as infinite aspects of itself .. then there is nothing actually happening to a single person, I mean where would the single person fit in to this equation? who invented this one?

According to you I'd have thought the individual is one of the 'infinite aspects' looking at 'itself' from a unique position so fits quite nicely?

Nothing is good or evil, there is no heaven or hell, except the knowledge of such.

Knowledge of such what?

Who told you you were evil?

The Christian Church.

Who told you you were good?

My mum but what she actually said was 'Be good'.

Who told you you were born?

My mum and I think she should know.

Who told you you will die?

No-one, I reasoned it out when my grandparents and pets didn't come back.

The problem you have created for yourself is your own self created knowledge.

It's not a problem, other than it being a great loss to the world.

Now you know birth, you must also know death.

You can't know death, just dying.

Now you know happiness, you must also know misery.

I'd have thought just unhappiness?

Now you know pleasure, you must also know pain.

Did the Buddha know pain? Not according to his life he didn't.

Now you prefer one feeling over the other, and this is your hell that you have created yourself.

But some appear to make pain pleasurable and others pleasure painful?

Now you have invented fear. Fear of pain, fear of sadness, fear of death, fear of torture, fear of suffering.
In that knowledge you search for relief of your imagined fear.
Enter love, compassion, empathy, care, acceptance, nirvana.

All these conditions do not exist except as illusory creations of the mind.

So no point in meditating and following the Buddhas path or is it that one can pick and choose so reincarnation is out from the Buddhas tale?

You fear not being loved ... without ever realising there is nothing here to love you...there is just you.

Not so, my kids appear to love me and the dog certainly does.

You fear not being liked... without ever realising there is nothing here to like you...there is just you.
You fear pain, you fear rejection, you fear loss of life, you fear life, you fear yourself. But there is only you here, and your mind cannot grasp that concept, but many minds do grasp the idea of oneness, and Bill is one of those who has. I recognised it immediately because I too have grasped the concept of eternal nothingness.

And yet it appears all about fear and misery from Bill? Whereas the Buddha laughed a lot and then laughed even more when he sahcked-up with a younger woman.

You do everything to make yourself feel good, and in doing so you are creating the opposite because when you lose the good feeling you then feel bad for not feeling good, and this works for every other feeling you want to have or avoid.

Well I agree that desire is an issue if one wants to not suffer but are you saying one should have no feelings about things?

By wanting anything at all you are creating the exact opposite to what you want in the exact moment,and that is the sickness of the human mind and is why life for human is like hell.

So if we don't want life would be heaven, I agree. So life is heavenly then.

The existence of opposites provides a meaning to a word. The word by itself is devoid of any meaning without the presence of it's opposite, for example; good is known because of it's opposite bad, otherwise what good is could never be known. The opposite is a word as well, which gets it's meaning from the word it gives meaning to, which is nevertheless without a meaning by itself. Therefore, since opposites are in everyday life, it only means that the quantum nature of meanings is a word with it's opposite in the same moment. This implies that the meaning which you do not want is also present in the meaning that you do want, for example right or wrong. If man understood this mysterious phenomenon of the opposites in the mind, every relationship would be harmonious.

Why does this 'quantum' nonsense always arise in such posts?

Harmonious is just another word for neutrality or balance - Life it basically neutral,it doesn't care about your opinion of it. ...

And yet you keep reifying it as 'Life'?

Life is basically empty. ...

And again?

And that's all there is to it - but the mind says ''FUCK THAT''.... is that it? .. is that all there is? .. and that's your problem. You are only ever reacting to things that you think and believe are there, when in truth there is nothing there except what you yourself have created from nothing.

You do know that most appear to not bother with these thoughts at all don't you?

So Bill is right.

Not when he's involved with contradictions and falsehoods he's not.

I can see the order out of the chaos of Bill's mind. It takes a lot of guts to be totally direct in a world of political correctness gone mad/unnatural...some people have the confidence to say out loud what other's only dare to think about ...to point to the way life actually is - instead of how you prefer it to be takes a very enlightened person. So we are lucky to have Bill here at the PN forum. ...

But we've already had Nietzsche, et al. If Bill is so enlightened then why isn't he laughing?

[Dontaskme]

True knowledge exists in knowing that you know nothing.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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[Dontaskme]

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It appears, from your statement, that you may have already experienced brief moments of self-observation, sometimes called, awakening or self-observation.

If you have, could you please explain what lead you to this temporary awakening of your normal self, your normal consciousness, as a dream? .

I awoke from a dream of myself, and in that moment, the character of myself within the dream disappeared...and all that remained was I shining eternally.

Heaven was eclipsed by hell, I was in darkness, I grew tired of being in the shadows, so I spontaneously lifted the veil from my brilliance and lo and behold I revealed myself for the very first time. The Light that cast no shadow is the castor of all shadows.

FALL from grace.

[Dontaskme]

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You are welcome. Wow, this is like the big bang of all bangs.

Been a long time since I saw you. Nice to meet you finally.



You can identify them by their fruit, that is, by the way they act.
~ Matthew 7:16

[Arising_uk]

Because Bill is all laughed out....

And yet the Buddha laughed until the end of his days?

There is distinction between seeing with instead of seeing through the mind – and that is experiential understanding.

Personally I think this gnu-guff as what is doing the seeing with or through? But either way all Bill ever see's is what he wants to see.

Bill sees through the eye, not with the eye.

Mind, eye? Make your mind up. What does this actually mean?

Hmm, looks like you need to brush up on your philosophy a bit, I see some cobwebs forming. You need to keep your mirror polished to understand our Bill.

You quote a poet on a philosophy site and think I need to brush up?

I have no need to mirror Bill as where he is has no real laughter.

[Lacewing]

It seems to me that there are infinite ways to create. Bill shares his mind and his world. It's one of countless.

I don't think there ultimately is right or wrong... rather, creation appears to be manifesting in countless ways. Those ways naturally include opposites and conflict... just as they include connection and harmony. Whatever it is that we (conscious human beings) are, we continually demonstrate a wide range of ways to vibrate as we do. Some will do it with more crying. Some will do it with more laughing. Some won't feel much at all. It's ALL here... it's all real and unreal... it's all possibility and potential.

Bill demonstrates one potential. That's all it is. Attaching ourselves with conviction to any particular potential does not uniquely reveal any sort of ultimate truth. Bill does not typically acknowledge "all". However, Bill appears to want to speak/define for all. Such lack of scope and balance (to me) seems short-sighted and limited in ways that I do not find useful. If all potential is available... why would I choose to focus on such narrow definitions? Not only do they appear limiting... but apparently they are not very enjoyable.

[Dontaskme]

True knowledge exists in knowing that you know nothing.

[Lacewing]

And yet the Buddha laughed until the end of his days?

No one has ever seen a Buddha.

Are you suggesting that laughter is not as real/valid as Bill's dark hell?

You have no idea where Bill is....

Just as Bill has no idea where anyone else is... yet that doesn't stop him from including other people in his sweeping definitions. Why have you not addressed that "Dontaskme"? Are you on a mission to defend Bill from the crowd that is throwing tomatoes at him? Have you considered that he may have brought this on... and that others here have VALID SIGHT TOO?

Bill has the right to have a unique reality of his own,

Of course he does. At what point does he take responsibility for what he bombards other people with? Do any of us need to care about the energy we create and spread around?

...and by judging him you deny him that reality.

That's not true. People make judgments all the time. You are making judgments right now. It doesn't deny anybody of anything.

If we didn't assess and make judgments in order to improve and expand, we probably wouldn't be here. That's part of this human dance, is it not?

...you have to love him in a romantic,healthy way, if not then what chance of him loving you back?

I don't think the first thing leads to the second thing. Some people are incapable of loving, even if they are loved.

All I've witnessed here on this thread is people judging and beating him down just for being himself. And yet what I saw immediately was a very awakened man.

People start to see patterns, and learn things about others, through their participation over time and MANY threads. Can you look at any single pinpoint and see an entire view? It quickly becomes apparent when someone continually uses this platform for self-absorbed manic behavior of the moment... with no real interest or investment in interacting with others in thoughtful discussion. People who make claims should be able to discuss them... and respectfully attempt to answer questions that others ask... yes? Otherwise, why are they here? It's a gift to receive people's attention. It's greedy to not give it back. And it seems childish to start new threads just to blurt out each new self-absorbed thing one thinks of. It seems no different than continually dumping all your garbage on the sidewalk for people to step through. Surely we can recycle our stuff better.

Bill has as much ability to reflect insights as anyone... but what I see is that he often mucks it up with his stuff. That turns it into something else. And if I have a choice of wading through someone's convoluted stuff... or flying with someone on a clearer wavelength... all for the same gain... guess which one I'll choose? We don't ALL want/have to continually wallow in stuff to see it and understand it. There is MUCH to see, and many ways to see, and no single path or methodology. (That's my cute little rhyme for the day.)

Lots of people like to think they are brilliant and unique. Yeh, WE ALL ARE... whatever. What are we doing with it?

[Arising_uk]

No one has ever seen a Buddha. ...

Loads of people saw and met the Buddha.

If You Meet Buddha on the Road, Kill Him.

Now who's taking thing literally and apparently in the wrong context? As this is to do with psychotherapy. Whereas 'If you meet the Buddha, kill him.' is a fair koan to hold in mind.

You have no idea where Bill is. ...

I judge by what is here nothing else.

Bill has the right to have a unique reality of his own, and by judging him you deny him that reality. ...

New-age bollocks. And total bollocks from you given that you claim the solipsist position.

If you would like Bill to be an extension of your own reality ...

Eh!? According to you there is no reality other than my consciousness.

you have to love him in a romantic,healthy way, if not then what chance of him loving you back?

Why would I want such a miserablist to love me? He obviously doesn't love others as he'd not use their pain for his pleasure.

All I've witnessed here on this thread is people judging and beating him down just for being himself. And yet what I saw immediately was a very awakened man.

You've not been here long enough.

It means don't use your ego eye to look at the world; look beyond the physical eye, into what's actually doing the looking.See the real pure seer.

Which 'ego' are you using here?

The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light. ''The lamp of the body is the eye''.

Christianity now. The light of Bill's eye appears to rest firmly upon the bad.

There are two of you, real and unreal...The unreal was created just to fuck with the real. To nudge it a little bit, but not too close. That would ruin it. No, just enough to have your head spinning. Fun huh?

No idea what you are waffling about?

[Dontaskme]

True knowledge exists in knowing that you know nothing.