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Re: For people who want to come nearer to the true God
Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 3:42 pm
by Gary Childress
And you don't seem to understand ANY of the points I've made so far so we seem to be on equal standing. It really seems to be a complete waste of time trying to reason with you. You keep mentioning "logic". Have you ever taken a formal university course on logic? I have and NOTHING you say seems to have ANYTHING remotely to do with "logic".
Re: For people who want to come nearer to the true God
Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 3:45 pm
by Gary Childress
And again I will ask the question which I didn't see you answer:
Why *must* we recognize "at his creation"?
I don't think it really makes a whit of difference whether someone believes in a God or does not.
Re: For people who want to come nearer to the true God
Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 3:47 pm
by manden
Of course , but not the false you have !
Re: For people who want to come nearer to the true God
Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 3:50 pm
by Gary Childress
manden wrote:Of course , but not the false you have !
You're still not answering the question:
Why *must* we recognize "at his creation"?
Re: For people who want to come nearer to the true God
Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 3:55 pm
by manden
I have answered it in the other topic .
But short : that is the sense of this life !
Re: For people who want to come nearer to the true God
Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 3:59 pm
by Gary Childress
manden wrote:I have answered it in the other topic .
But short : that is the sense of this life !
Life doesn't make any "sense" without God? I'm agnostic and life makes plenty of good sense to me. I don't consider myself a nihilist.
Re: For people who want to come nearer to the true God
Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:03 pm
by manden
WRONG ! Self - deception , nothing else !
Re: For people who want to come nearer to the true God
Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:06 pm
by Gary Childress
manden wrote:WRONG ! Self - deception , nothing else !
Speak for yourself.
Re: For people who want to come nearer to the true God
Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:10 pm
by manden
If there is no true God , this life is senseless , because your only aim is the death ! And all what you are doing is senseless !
Exact simple logic .
Re: For people who want to come nearer to the true God
Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:39 pm
by manden
To make it clear :
I want to help every human being to recognize that the real creator of the universe (more of himself is not recognizable) -
is of course N O God of any religion - really exists .
In the interest of the WHOLE mankind (living or dead) ! When the mankind is able to recognize that the real creator exists , the main work is
done ! ! ! And we may hope for the true(eternal) life .
Re: For people who want to come nearer to the true God
Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 5:15 pm
by Dalek Prime
manden wrote:The W A Y , how you can recognize at his creation that the real creator of the universe ( N O God of any religion ) really exists .
1. Try to learn to live in real harmony ( about : loving , reponsible , sharing ) with his creation - (all) men and the nature .
2. Search for the truth about the real creator of the universe ( N O God of any religion ) at his creation - completely honest to yourself ,
with all your strength and will , with reason and logic , and try to solve with all your strength from the influence of this corrupt world .
If you can do that well enough , you will be able to recognize , that the real creator of the universe ( the true God ) exists .
( that is almost the aim of the mankind )
Assuming the creator exists, his life system is just as flawed as the creator itself. Stop worshiping something that does not deserve that veneration. He's garbage, and you owe him bugger all. And if he doesn't like that, then he's a big suck as well, and can go sulk in a corner.
Re: For people who want to come nearer to the true God
Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 6:05 pm
by Gary Childress
manden wrote:If there is no true God , this life is senseless , because your only aim is the death ! And all what you are doing is senseless !
Exact simple logic .
So your argument appears to be something like:
P1) If a person does not believe in God then death is their only aim.
P2) I do not believe in God,
C1) Therefore death is my only aim
P3) If death is my only aim, then life is senseless.
P4) Death is my only aim [from C1]
C2) Therefore life is senseless
P1 and P3 are assumptions I don't see as being necessarily true. Death is not my only aim. I aim for other things such as being ethical. Life is not senseless to me. Life makes plenty of sense, probably no more nor no less than it makes to most others who may believe in God.
Re: For people who want to come nearer to the true God
Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 6:31 pm
by manden
Comment senseless .
Re: For people who want to come nearer to the true God
Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 7:02 pm
by Hobbes' Choice
manden wrote:Comment senseless .
If you want to be nearer to God why not just blow your brains out with a Walther PP?
Re: For people who want to come nearer to the true God
Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 7:15 pm
by manden
I am nearer to the true God , but I have not more power , only the recognizable knowledge about the real creator of the universe , and exact
simple logic .