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bobevenson wrote:Shit, you make Bill look like a fucking genius!

You are the only one here that makes Bill look like a genius.

Fucking waste of oxygen.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

bobevenson wrote:Shit, you make Bill look like a fucking genius!

You are the only one here that makes Bill look like a genius.

Fucking waste of oxygen.

Look, you're just a stupid Brit. Enough said.

bobevenson wrote:Everybody should refuse to register for the draft, and refuse to be drafted under any circumstances. Either this is a free country or it isn't!

I think this a fair point for your country bob. Luckily I live in a free one.

Arising_uk wrote:

bobevenson wrote:Everybody should refuse to register for the draft, and refuse to be drafted under any circumstances. Either this is a free country or it isn't!

I think this a fair point for your country bob. Luckily I live in a free one.

Let's see, are you saying that nobody can be conscripted into the military in England, and anybody serving in the military can say "take this job and shove it," at any time, and just walk away? Is that what you're saying?

bobevenson wrote:

Arising_uk wrote:

bobevenson wrote:Everybody should refuse to register for the draft, and refuse to be drafted under any circumstances. Either this is a free country or it isn't!

I think this a fair point for your country bob. Luckily I live in a free one.

Let's see, are you saying that nobody can be conscripted into the military in England, and anybody serving in the military can say "take this job and shove it," at any time, and just walk away? Is that what you're saying?

Subscription ended long ago, and there is precious little chance of it returning. It's called a working democracy.
On the contrary conscription was re-introduced in c.1980 under Reagan and still exists, if I am not mistaken.

Let's see, are you saying that nobody can be conscripted into the military in England, and anybody serving in the military can say "take this job and shove it," at any time, and just walk away? Is that what you're saying?

Pretty much yes. Our Army is a professional one and doesn't want soldiers who don't want to be there snd in fact much of the training is to weed out those unsuited to a professional army. Plus since we have pretty much a free education system people don't have to use the Forces as a way to get one although it is true that you can get a fairly good technical career from it if you wish. Of course not saying conscription couldn't come back in dire circumstances but we do not have to register now in any way.

Arising_uk wrote:

Let's see, are you saying that nobody can be conscripted into the military in England, and anybody serving in the military can say "take this job and shove it," at any time, and just walk away? Is that what you're saying?

Pretty much yes. Our Army is a professional one and doesn't want soldiers who don't want to be there snd in fact much of the training is to weed out those unsuited to a professional army. Plus since we have pretty much a free education system people don't have to use the Forces as a way to get one although it is true that you can get a fairly good technical career from it if you wish. Of course not saying conscription couldn't come back in dire circumstances but we do not have to register now in any way.

If you're saying a British soldier can tell his superior officer to go fuck himself, and just walk away without any consequences, you better see a doctor, and the sooner the better.

bobevenson wrote: If you're saying a British soldier can tell his superior officer to go fuck himself, and just walk away without any consequences, you better see a doctor, and the sooner the better.

So now you're an expert on my country are you bobby?

There will be consequences bobby and they will be that they'll be leaving the Army. But if they wish to leave they don't have to resort to such methods they can just request to leave, refuse to serve. It's not called a professional Army for nothing and as such I apparently live in a freer country than you.

Arising_uk wrote:

bobevenson wrote: If you're saying a British soldier can tell his superior officer to go fuck himself, and just walk away without any consequences, you better see a doctor, and the sooner the better.

So now you're an expert on my country are you bobby?

There will be consequences bobby and they will be that they'll be leaving the Army. But if they wish to leave they don't have to resort to such methods they can just request to leave, refuse to serve. It's not called a professional Army for nothing and as such I apparently live in a freer country than you.

I'd like you to cite a credible source that confirms a British soldier can summarily tell his commanding officer to go fuck himself and take this job and shove it, without it causing him more problems than he cares to deal with. What fucking planet do you live on, anyway?

bobevenson wrote: I'd like you to cite a credible source that confirms a British soldier can summarily tell his commanding officer to go fuck himself and take this job and shove it, without it causing him more problems than he cares to deal with. What fucking planet do you live on, anyway?

A free one apparently.

The source? My brother-in-law 23 years full - time British solider and regimental sergeant major in the Guards.

When you talk about this soldier tell the officer such a thing are you talking about in combat?

What you fail to grasp is that the British Army is a professional one. As such solders can choose not to serve any longer and such a soldier is not wanted by the Army. You appear to be confirming what my brother-in-law said about the American army and that was that it was still run as a conscript army rather than what we have.
Like it or lump it bobby.

Arising_uk wrote:When you talk about this soldier tell the officer such a thing are you talking about in combat?

I'm talking about any time, and I'm talking about a free country, which Great Britain certainly is not. It's a slave state!

bobevenson wrote:

Arising_uk wrote:

bobevenson wrote: If you're saying a British soldier can tell his superior officer to go fuck himself, and just walk away without any consequences, you better see a doctor, and the sooner the better.

So now you're an expert on my country are you bobby?

There will be consequences bobby and they will be that they'll be leaving the Army. But if they wish to leave they don't have to resort to such methods they can just request to leave, refuse to serve. It's not called a professional Army for nothing and as such I apparently live in a freer country than you.

I'd like you to cite a credible source that confirms a British soldier can summarily tell his commanding officer to go fuck himself and take this job and shove it, without it causing him more problems than he cares to deal with. What fucking planet do you live on, anyway?

A British soldier can request a termination of contract.
Can't they do that in the USA?

I think you have forgotten why you started this rant in the first place.

bobevenson wrote:

Arising_uk wrote:When you talk about this soldier tell the officer such a thing are you talking about in combat?

I'm talking about any time, and I'm talking about a free country, which Great Britain certainly is not. It's a slave state!

Obviously not as much a slave state as the USA, which was 50 years behind the country that led the emancipation of slaves, the UK.
Worse than that it took until the 1960s before blacks had any thing like equal rights.
Nowadays they only have to face summary execution and beatings to death on American streets.

bobevenson wrote: I'm talking about any time, and I'm talking about a free country, which Great Britain certainly is not. It's a slave state!

Well not the soldiers apparently nor the citizens who do not have to register for a draft. All by your definitions bobby.