Is eternity in heaven logically impossible?

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Jaded Sage
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Re: Is eternity in heaven logically impossible?

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It's never been explained effectively. The fact that we can't do things out of order doesn't mean we cannot have an atemporal experience. I think you're doing something like be confused and treating what is figurative as if it were literal.
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Jaded Sage wrote:It's never been explained effectively. The fact that we can't do things out of order doesn't mean we cannot have an atemporal experience. I think you're doing something like be confused and treating what is figurative as if it were literal.
Okay. Go have an extratemporal experience and then come back and explain how you did it.
You can do it literally or figuratively - just not both at the same time.
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I think I have. I'm not quite sure how though. Also, it might be subjective atemporality, not objective atemporality.
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Congratulations. So, I guess that means you have no anxiety concerning heaven.
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Jaded Sage wrote:
The fact that we cannot do things out of order does not mean we cannot have an atemporal experience
Less one can reverse the principle of cause and effect an atemporal experience is physically impossible
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Near death experiences are known to create subjective time dilation effects. When the patients recover they report subjective events seemingly occurring over hours, days or longer during just the few minutes when their brain was starting to shut down.

If time dilation effects increase as the brain continues to shut down, perhaps one's final seconds might feel like a thousand years or more in la la land? That raises the peculiar notion of relatives grieving over someone who is thoroughly dead yet in some way at the same time experiencing eternity in that final moment of brain function.
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Based on evolutionary documentation, why do people feel they are somehow superior to even the lowest microbe, and can look forward to an everlasting life in heaven?
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Who says microbes don't have extratemporal experiences at the moment of death? Their heaven might be the same one humans go to, or they may have their own. Maybe each species that desires eternal life gets a different one of an infinite number of eternal environments, or maybe they all dissolve into one infinite cloud of souls.
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Skip wrote:Who says microbes don't have extratemporal experiences at the moment of death? Their heaven might be the same one humans go to, or they may have their own. Maybe each species that desires eternal life gets a different one of an infinite number of eternal environments, or maybe they all dissolve into one infinite cloud of souls.
Zillions and zillions of souls to the zillionth power, huh? I wonder what the point of all that would be.
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Bayonets, awls and ice-picks have a point.
Infinity, eternity and incomprehensibility are not pointed entities.
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surreptitious57 wrote:
Jaded Sage wrote:
The fact that we cannot do things out of order does not mean we cannot have an atemporal experience
Less one can reverse the principle of cause and effect an atemporal experience is physically impossible
Well, I'd argue there is no causality in an atemporal experience. And I think our buddy Kant might agree.
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Re: Is eternity in heaven logically impossible?

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Is eternity in heaven logically impossible?

It's already too late.
Since NOW, and yesterday are part of eternity, then the chance to spend eternity is heaven is impossible.
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