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That is a disappointingly dogmatic view, my friend.alpha wrote:
they're misguided. perhaps, they're simply projecting. a sort of confirmation bias.
i don't see you offering any real explanations or evidence.Jaded Sage wrote:That is a disappointingly dogmatic view, my friend.alpha wrote:
they're misguided. perhaps, they're simply projecting. a sort of confirmation bias.
Sorry. I didn't see your post.Hobbes' Choice wrote:No definitely not.Jaded Sage wrote:alpha wrote:if i understand you correctly, you're saying that those who feel that life is meaningful, are in a state of serenity?
By this definition: I am not saying that all those who feel life is meaningful are serene, but all those who are serene feel life is meaningful.
True serenity is only held by those that except the truth of meaninglessness.
There is no serenity in the delusion that one's life has meaning.
allow me; it's merely an illusion. sorry to burst your wonderful bubble.Jaded Sage wrote:How do you account for the fact that people, like myself, have experienced the type of feeling described: serenity, as a sense that nothing is a waste of time?
But it does not. And the only people who are truly serene accept the reality of their relationship to the rest of the universe.alpha wrote:i actually disagree with both of you (jaded & hobbes) on this issue. i believe that serenity should be wanting meaningfulness, and feeling it, but only when it truly and clearly exists. all other scenarios have nothing to do with serenity.
are you saying that one should be happy that life is meaningless?Hobbes' Choice wrote:But it does not. And the only people who are truly serene accept the reality of their relationship to the rest of the universe.
Pretending that you are important in the face of the universe can only lead to angst and disappointment. Obviously.
no.alpha wrote:are you saying that one should be happy that life is meaningless?Hobbes' Choice wrote:But it does not. And the only people who are truly serene accept the reality of their relationship to the rest of the universe.
Pretending that you are important in the face of the universe can only lead to angst and disappointment. Obviously.
i do see death as serenity, or deliverance, but your statement is still false. life can have meaning without making death a disappointment. in a life that has meaning, death can be a part of the cycle, and only transports the person to another life, a higher, more serene and pleasurable one. i'm not saying this is the case, just that it's theoretically possible.Hobbes' Choice wrote:no.
I'd not mentioned happiness at all.
If life has meaning then death is a disappointment and at odds with serenity.
To die in serenity means letting go.
it's ok, sage, you did your best too.Jaded Sage wrote:This was so close to being actual philosophy.
Can I be brutally honest? I'd be embrassed to put thoughts like this on the internet. It's a cowardly thing to run away from a point. At least one of you tried.
Bullshit. You don't know the meaning of death. You're just delusional. If serenity is delusion then you have it.alpha wrote:i do see death as serenity, or deliverance, but your statement is still false. life can have meaning without making death a disappointment. in a life that has meaning, death can be a part of the cycle, and only transports the person to another life, a higher, more serene and pleasurable one. i'm not saying this is the case, just that it's theoretically possible.Hobbes' Choice wrote:no.
I'd not mentioned happiness at all.
If life has meaning then death is a disappointment and at odds with serenity.
To die in serenity means letting go.
I've said all there needs to be said.Jaded Sage wrote:This was so close to being actual philosophy.
Can I be brutally honest? I'd be embrassed to put thoughts like this on the internet. It's a cowardly thing to run away from a point. At least one of you tried.
Hobbes' Choice wrote:Bullshit. You don't know the meaning of death.
and i suppose you do? tell me, how many times have you died?
You're just delusional. If serenity is delusion then you have it.
That works. It shows acceptance and appreciation of the moment, whatever that moment is.Jaded Sage wrote:I have heard that serenity is the feeling that nothing is a waste of time.
In most cases, I'm guessing yes.Jaded Sage wrote:When people ask about the meaninglessness of life are they really asking about the unhappiness of their own lives?