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No of course I have reasons, but think it pointless stating them here. You have to do your own research. Me giving you evidence wouldn't do it. Besides you said you are okay with the official narrative. The thread is not pointless to me, I can put things here and write down my thoughts.

Pluto wrote:You answer it then, tough guy

The standard account differs from the truth mainly through the employment of adjective and spin.

The basics facts are correct, and the range of conspiracy theories which focus direct responsibility to the US government or security services are too ridiculous to contemplate.

Where responsibility for 9/11 can be focused on the US and the West is in the casual interference, intrigue, military actions and economic policies which have impoverished and oppressed millions of people in the Middle East for 100 years, especially in the West's support of the terrorist state of Israel.

Pluto wrote:No of course I have reasons, but think it pointless stating them here. You have to do your own research. Me giving you evidence wouldn't do it. Besides you said you are okay with the official narrative. The thread is not pointless to me, I can put things here and write down my thoughts.

This sounds like the words of a person without anything to contribute.

"too ridiculous to contemplate"

This is your problem. Your frame cannot extend to incorporate that which lives outside it.

Pluto wrote:No of course I have reasons, but think it pointless stating them here. You have to do your own research. Me giving you evidence wouldn't do it. Besides you said you are okay with the official narrative. The thread is not pointless to me, I can put things here and write down my thoughts.

You mean 'research' on conspiracytard websites? Perhaps I should visit 'answersingenesis' while I'm about it.

This is a problem. There are positions which are so outlandish that it is easy to paint all this way. There are sites which attempt to relate the plausible with the implausible and in doing so dirty the water for all. You need to use your brain.

Pluto wrote:This is a problem. There are positions which are so outlandish that it is easy to paint all this way. There are sites which attempt to relate the plausible with the implausible and in doing so dirty the water for all. You have to start with the fact that power operates on a different moral level than that operated by the general public. With power the buck stops with it and so concerns of right and wrong as practised in the world of the general public, do not apply.

I'm well aware of the fact that conspiracies happen, and the world is run by corporate fucks, but I have seen no evidence whatsoever supporting the conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11. It's not something that I even have a stake in. Real conspiracies don't seem to interest conspiracytards, just as real explanations don't interest the UFO hunters and 'ancient alien' believers etc. Those people are always going to believe what they want to believe.
How about the real conspiracy to destroy Julian Assange and Wikileaks? If you twits put as much energy into standing up for real injustice as you do chasing ghosts and rainbows, I'm sure the world would be a better place. All you do is leave a clear path for the real conspirators by creating mountains of bullshit around them. (Perhaps that's the idea. I often wonder where all the 'the jews did it' conspiracy theories originate).

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

Pluto wrote:This is a problem. There are positions which are so outlandish that it is easy to paint all this way. There are sites which attempt to relate the plausible with the implausible and in doing so dirty the water for all. You have to start with the fact that power operates on a different moral level than that operated by the general public. With power the buck stops with it and so concerns of right and wrong as practised in the world of the general public, do not apply.

I'm well aware of the fact that conspiracies happen, and the world is run by corporate fucks, but I have seen no evidence whatsoever supporting the conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11. It's not something that I even have a stake in. Real conspiracies don't seem to interest conspiracytards, just as real explanations don't interest the UFO hunters and 'ancient alien' believers etc. Those people are always going to believe what they want to believe.
How about the real conspiracy to destroy Julian Assange and Wikileaks? If you twits put as much energy into standing up for real injustice as you do chasing ghosts and rainbows, I'm sure the world would be a better place. All you do is leave a clear path for the real conspirators by creating mountains of bullshit (maybe that's the idea. I often wonder where all the 'the jews did it' conspiracy theories originate).

There is no evidence, it's been melted down and destroyed. The crime seen was not treated as such. You know nothing of my position on Assange, he is being destroyed by the same interests that brought down the buildings in New York. It's global, connected. You are the one who is spreading bullshit, not me. If you cannot see the difference between the 9/11 truth movement and groups talking about UFO's then you are completely retarded, pardon my French. Or you want to dirty the water on purpose because...etc.

Pluto wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

Pluto wrote:This is a problem. There are positions which are so outlandish that it is easy to paint all this way. There are sites which attempt to relate the plausible with the implausible and in doing so dirty the water for all. You have to start with the fact that power operates on a different moral level than that operated by the general public. With power the buck stops with it and so concerns of right and wrong as practised in the world of the general public, do not apply.

I'm well aware of the fact that conspiracies happen, and the world is run by corporate fucks, but I have seen no evidence whatsoever supporting the conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11. It's not something that I even have a stake in. Real conspiracies don't seem to interest conspiracytards, just as real explanations don't interest the UFO hunters and 'ancient alien' believers etc. Those people are always going to believe what they want to believe.
How about the real conspiracy to destroy Julian Assange and Wikileaks? If you twits put as much energy into standing up for real injustice as you do chasing ghosts and rainbows, I'm sure the world would be a better place. All you do is leave a clear path for the real conspirators by creating mountains of bullshit (maybe that's the idea. I often wonder where all the 'the jews did it' conspiracy theories originate).

There is no evidence, it's been melted down and destroyed. The crime seen was not treated as such. You know nothing of my position on Assange, he is being destroyed by the same interests that brought down the buildings in New York. It's global. You are the one who is spreading bullshit, not me. If you cannot see the difference between the 9/11 truth movement and groups talking about UFO's then you are completely retarded, pardon my French. Or you want to dirty the water on purpose because...etc.

FFS. To be honest I don't give a rat's arse about who did 9/11, I just have a great love for the truth. There is a ton of evidence. Eyewitnesses, engineers, video footage, expert testimony, confessions..........I don't see any difference between 'truthers' and any other truth-deniers. It fucks me off that conspiracytards are using Assange to peddle their crap--I wasn't aware of that. Assange is into exposing REAL conspiracies. Is it really so hard to tell the difference?

FFS. To be honest I don't give a rat's arse about who did 9/11, I just have a great love for the truth.

This is a weird sentence.

Pluto wrote:

FFS. To be honest I don't give a rat's arse about who did 9/11, I just have a great love for the truth.

This is a weird sentence.

It would be weird to you. To spell it out, I have no agenda. It's just that when I see someone writing crap, I can't help speaking out about it. It hadn't occurred to me that this is something that is beyond the comprehension of most people. It's just normal to me.

What crap have I said?

Pluto wrote:What crap have I said?

You haven't actually said anything. It was a pointless thread because you refuse to say what you think, so I will ignore it from now on.

Trying to understand the present without drinking up all the propaganda, isn't pointless.

“Next the statesmen will invent cheap lies, putting the blame upon the nation that is attacked, and every man will be glad of those conscience-soothing falsities, and will diligently study them, and refuse to examine any refutations of them.”—Mark Twain (1835-1910), American author and satirist

In a shallow society the truth is too deep - Den Haard