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thedoc wrote:

HexHammer wrote: Adam ate of the Apple and became aware of his nakedness, and God asked Adam, where art thou?

........why would God ask Adam where he is, if God already knew that? ...seems God's omnipresents is something applied later, in the bible.

Doesn't a parent ask a child "what did you do?" knowing what the child did in advance, but just wanting the child to admit what they have done? You post as as if you have never had children.

Is the creator a parent? ..then God is parent of all the angels and fallen angels?

Dalek Prime wrote:

HexHammer wrote:

Gary Childress wrote:I would be very surprised if the genesis story in the bible is a factual account of what it purports to be a factual account of. But I also don't necessarily believe that if the Bible isn't factual that therefore there is no god.

Joan of Arc was a reasonable proof of God.

Joan was reasonable proof of schizophrenia.

Fact is she won many battles, and the tea drinkers issued a special leanient punishment for desserters that fled from Joan.

Harbal wrote:

attofishpi wrote:God exists...and it's a c*nt to (real) sinners.

Gulf of Owe Man.

I wonder what God thinks of you for committing the sin of making him look like an idiot.

God needs to lose weight....and grow a fucking spine.

HexHammer wrote:Fact is she won many battles, and the tea drinkers issued a special leanient punishment for desserters that fled from Joan.

Then God, in his infinite mercy, watched as His dupe screamed in agony, whilst being roasted like a suckling pig. (Mmmm, barbecue.)

Btw, they didn't drink tea, proper, back then, goofy.

HexHammer wrote:
She had visions and voices to guide her.

So, a mentally ill peasant girl, then.

Harbal wrote:

HexHammer wrote:
She had visions and voices to guide her.

So, a mentally ill peasant girl, then.

Yep. But the simple answer isn't good enough for some.

Lacewing wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote: The universe is your god. Brilliant. Now we can carry on as if god were not important.

How is the universe my god? What IS a god? Can you not recognize oneness and/or connectivity without it somehow being seen or defined as a god?

You have already said the universe is your god. If you aint figured that out, I'm puzzled what you think you are actually saying.

Harbal wrote:

HexHammer wrote:
She had visions and voices to guide her.

So, a mentally ill peasant girl, then.

Then all prophets are mentally?

HexHammer wrote:Then all prophets are mentally?

If you say so.

Harbal wrote:

HexHammer wrote:Then all prophets are mentally?

If you say so.

That was a question for you to answer.

HexHammer wrote:That was a question for you to answer.

I don't know anything about prophets, in fact, I'm not exactly sure what one is. I do know, however, that hearing voices is one of the symptons of Schizophrenia.

Harbal wrote:

HexHammer wrote:That was a question for you to answer.

I don't know anything about prophets, in fact, I'm not exactly sure what one is. I do know, however, that hearing voices is one of the symptons of Schizophrenia.

Bingo!

Harbal wrote:

HexHammer wrote:That was a question for you to answer.

I don't know anything about prophets, in fact, I'm not exactly sure what one is. I do know, however, that hearing voices is one of the symptons of Schizophrenia.

That depends on what they are all telling you. What do you hear?

Hobbes' Choice wrote: That depends on what they are all telling you.

I don't think so.

...that hearing voices is one of the symptons of Schizophrenia.

In fact, we 'hear' our thoughts before they get to our physical structure. In a sense we all 'channel'. Jonathan Bowden (an interesting Nietzschen philosopher and activist) says that he is a 'mediumistic speaker' and describes 'hearing the words' a nano-second before he speaks them (he refers to this in the first few minutes of this talk). It is an interesting idea. I think we all do this to greater or lesser degrees.

Also, you'd certainly have to take into consideration 'poetic utterance' of a spontaneous sort. And then don't forget Socrates' daemon: a guiding spirit? a spirit helper? a disembodied consciousness? an 'aspect' of Socrates' person? (to put it in modern psychological terms).

There is such a thing, certainly, as people who hear voices, and it can be schizophrenic and psychotic, that cannot be denied. But is it not fair and reasonable to say that we humans basically operate from a structured madness? And who in the end will decide what is permissible or 'positive' madness and what bad-negative-destructive madness?