Hubris and Hillary Clinton

[kriswest]

What is the government line in interfering with religion and beliefs? Are we supposed to be the same? Not believing in god was a crime at one point, is it right to make religion a crime?

[thedoc]

Parents who refuse to vaccinate their children against easily preventable disease should be charged under law for child abuse and endangering public safety. This is almost as dangerous a practice as sending children to religious schools and should be stamped out root and branch. The children should be forcibly removed from them and be given into the care of those who know what CARE means.

I'm not sure where you get the idea that anyone is "forcing" children to be religious. All of my children have made their own choice about attending church even before they were old enough to do so on their own. 2 of my grandchildren have stated that they want to go along with us to church on Sunday, so to that end they come over on Sat. eve. and stay over night. To the best of my knowledge all of my children and grandchildren have had all their shots, though they don't have to wear the metal tags to prove it.

[Obvious Leo]

You're extrapolating from the general to the particular and then applying this only to yourself. You've done this over and over again, doc, both to me and to others, and this is both dishonest and illogical.

I think it's wrong to teach lies to children and that's the only point I was making. I was making no comment on you or any of your family because I don't know you or any of them.

[thedoc]

You're extrapolating from the general to the particular and then applying this only to yourself. You've done this over and over again, doc, both to me and to others, and this is both dishonest and illogical.

I think it's wrong to teach lies to children and that's the only point I was making. I was making no comment on you or any of your family because I don't know you or any of them.

I used myself as an example, and I would add that many of the people I know believe the same. Your comment sounded as if you were painting all religious parents with the same brush, and that would include me. So I see nothing wrong in stating my own position and beliefs as counter to those you seem to have implied to be applied to all.

As far as teaching children lies, you would need to prove the point. It is my impression that you claim that religious beliefs are a lie because there is no proof. I do not claim any proof, it is a belief out of faith. We teach our children what we believe and we teach them that it is through faith that we believe. As there is no proof either way, it is incorrect to claim that it is a lie, religion is what we believe, and I go no further than that. To claim that religious beliefs are a lie is to go beyond what can be said for certain, you can only claim what you believe to be true, and that is exactly what I am doing. I will tell you what you want to know about me, if I have an answer, if the answer "I don't know" isn't good enough, you may rant on as you see fit.

[Obvious Leo]

We teach our children what we believe and we teach them that it is through faith that we believe.

I have no doubt that this thought will give great comfort to those innocents being beheaded in the middle east as well as to the tens of millions fleeing those who share your point of view.

[kriswest]

If I find myself in a lion den and stay, is it my fault or the lion's fault that I get killed by the lion?

[thedoc]

“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”

― Albert Einstein

[tbieter]

Will Clinton's pride (In believing that, as secretary of state, she could perform the duties of her office on a secret private email system) lead to her downfall as a presidential candidate?

In view of FBI Director Comey's announcement of the reopening of the Clinton investigation last Friday, I thought that this thread should be republished.
Do you have any comments, predictions?

[Hobbes' Choice]

Thus far the issue seems to be nothing more than yet another anti-Hillary smear campaign. This time from a government body that has exceeded its brief and possibly broken the law due to trying to affect the outcome of an election.

They have not even had the balls to present any evidence, just innuendos.

I did not think things could be worst, but the US has just sunk to it deepest depths of depravity. There is no doubt that the establishment is in control an is guided by Trump and the Republicans, who will stop at nothing to make the rich richer, and the working people of the US pay for that.

[Dubious]

There is no doubt that the establishment is in control an is guided by Trump and the Republicans, who will stop at nothing to make the rich richer, and the working people of the US pay for that.

Regardless of who, the rich always get richer...as for the rest, you've got it upside down:
http://www.marketslant.com/articles/pow ... g-about-it

[Hobbes' Choice]

There is no doubt that the establishment is in control an is guided by Trump and the Republicans, who will stop at nothing to make the rich richer, and the working people of the US pay for that.

Regardless of who, the rich always get richer...as for the rest, you've got it upside down:

Rubbish. That's the usual response from the apathetic and unimaginative.

[Dubious]

There is no doubt that the establishment is in control an is guided by Trump and the Republicans, who will stop at nothing to make the rich richer, and the working people of the US pay for that.

Regardless of who, the rich always get richer...as for the rest, you've got it upside down:

Rubbish. That's the usual response from the apathetic and unimaginative.

,...as usual a Hobbes special of pure undiluted stupidity and ignorance - which doesn't even relate to the article - in spite of being presented with data...of which there's a massive amount on the Hillary character and the Clinton foundation. I wouldn't vote at all given the candidates but if I had to it would be Trump all the way.

[Greta]

I would not like a leader who brags about being able to get away with grabbing women by the snatch. Dealbreaker for me.

Besides, a Clinton lead the US to their last surplus. The Clintons appear to be the best economic managers in recent US history. Mind you, the competition is beyond bad, with Bush's Republicans turning the surplus inherited from Bill Clinton into the biggest deficit in world history, in just eight years.

[thedoc]

I would not like a leader who brags about being able to get away with grabbing women by the snatch. Dealbreaker for me.

So you like it better when they grab and then lie about it?

[thedoc]

Besides, a Clinton lead the US to their last surplus. The Clintons appear to be the best economic managers in recent US history. Mind you, the competition is beyond bad, with Bush's Republicans turning the surplus inherited from Bill Clinton into the biggest deficit in world history, in just eight years.

If They had a surplus, it's because they didn't do anything. Bill was too busy chasing skirts and Hillary was too busy screaming and ranting at everyone. Bush had a war on his hands and it was not of his making.