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Re: Climate Change
Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 9:20 pm
by Pluto
He had spent 2 years researching the topic and interviewed all the key scientists, politicians and military leaders about the likely outcome.
This is the problem, all the above are part of the problem, they are all embedded and will say whatever continues their pay-packet. I realise the total devastation climate change would cause, turning man back into beast again. Wiping millions from the planet. Yet I think that the threat of it, is yet but another control mechanism in the quick march to a corporate world order. Dnn, dnn, dnnn.
Re: Climate Change
Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 9:20 pm
by Ned
PS. Just google "climate change documentaries" for a good selection.
Watch a good variety of them from both sides of the debate and decide whom you want to trust.
Re: Climate Change
Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 9:27 pm
by Ned
Pluto wrote: Yet I think that the threat of it, is yet but another control mechanism in the quick march to a corporate world order. Dnn, dnn, dnnn.
So what are you saying?
a./ Climate change is real, but the powers that be are using it towards achieving more control and domination on the global scale?
b./ Climate change is not happening, but the powers that be are using it's threat towards achieving more control and domination on the global scale?
I wouldn't argue with a./ because I think that the power that be use
everything towards achieving more control and domination on the global scale.
Why not climate change?
But I am sure that the threat is absolutely real and it is fast approaching.
Take your pick, it won't make a difference to the outcome.
Luckily I will be gone by the time the shit hits the fan in a big way, but I pity the next generation of humans and all the animals that will be impacted by it.
Re: Climate Change
Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 9:32 pm
by Pluto
Ned wrote:Pluto, why don't you watch actual documentaries about what is happening in the arctic?
The melting permafrost, the disappearing sea ice, the retreating glaciers, the drowning polar bears, the flooded communities?
Then you can decide whom to believe.
Yes, you're right, I should. I have seen some, but maybe not enough. I can't see how melting ice-caps should be seen as odd though. Maybe they have always melted and then re-frozen. We are messing the planet up, but that is because we are still extremely primitive in our relation to the earth. It will change, is changing. I feel the fact that we are messing up the planet anyway, has then, for geo-political reasons, been made into a titanic-like disaster movie onto the world stage.
Re: Climate Change
Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 9:49 pm
by Pluto
Ned wrote:Pluto wrote: Yet I think that the threat of it, is yet but another control mechanism in the quick march to a corporate world order. Dnn, dnn, dnnn.
So what are you saying?
a./ Climate change is real, but the powers that be are using it towards achieving more control and domination on the global scale?
This is possible
b./ Climate change is not happening, but the powers that be are using it's threat towards achieving more control and domination on the global scale?
This is possible too.
I wouldn't argue with a./ because I think that the power that be use
everything towards achieving more control and domination on the global scale.
Why not climate change?
It fits too neatly into our blanket of doom start to the century. Where both the floor and roof have been removed. It's part of a bigger idea. Just look at all those disaster movies coming out of the US, they are like adverts of doom.
But I am sure that the threat is absolutely real and it is fast approaching.
Because of the documentaries you've seen?
Take your pick, it won't make a difference to the outcome.
Luckily I will be gone by the time the shit hits the fan in a big way, but I pity the next generation of humans and all the animals that will be impacted by it.
Re: Climate Change
Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 9:56 pm
by Ned
Ned wrote:But I am sure that the threat is absolutely real and it is fast approaching.
Pluto wrote:Because of the documentaries you've seen?
Pluto, take a look at the "What is, and how to find, Truth" thread in Epistemology.
Follow Poirot's advice.
Re: Climate Change
Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 11:08 pm
by vegetariantaxidermy
Pluto wrote:And here I am, believing all those stupid Nobel prized scientists, by the hundreds around the globe, lying to me about what we have been doing to the planet. Air, Water, Soil, biological diversity, forests, oceans, etc., etc.
You put the Noble Prized Scientists up on high as knowers of all, but it's not so. They are open to the same pressures as the next. The prize is given by a system which is itself unethical. Obama was given one before he took office. Why would they lie, maybe to keep their livelihoods, when maybe they actually believe it themselves.
It's not just Nobel Prize scientists (that's no indicator of a scientist's worth either, more about politics and money), but pretty much EVERY scientist on the planet. And if you don't like scientists (why are you using a computer then?) do your own research eg. open your eyes.
Re: Climate Change
Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 11:14 pm
by raw_thought
Agreed! EVERY scientific organization in the world and 97% of climate specialists endorse AGW. To claim that EVERY scientific organization in the world is lying is absurd and if so means that there is no legitimate data about global climate. That means that there is no data to support the denial of AGW!
Who is behind this vast conspiracy? Bigfoot, Elvis.....
Re: Climate Change
Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 11:15 pm
by Ned
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:do your own research
That's the best advice anyone can give you.
Read books, watch documentaries, decide what sounds reasonable and what sounds fishy.
Think it over from every possible angle.
Then you can decide what you believe in.
Re: Climate Change
Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 11:29 pm
by raw_thought
When one does research on climate change one finds that every legitimate source (NASA, American Meteorological Society, Scientific American, the Royal Society...) endorses AGW. The only sources that are anti AGW are some guys blog or proven lie sites like brietbart.
Re: Climate Change
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 7:57 am
by Pluto
every legitimate source
They are legitimised by the powers that be, and this power, controls what you think. Legitimised blogs and websites lie too, if not more so, because of their global reach and important indoctrinatory function.
Re: Climate Change
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 9:28 am
by Pluto
Re: Climate Change
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 11:31 am
by raw_thought
Pluto wrote:every legitimate source
They are legitimised by the powers that be, and this power, controls what you think. Legitimised blogs and websites lie too, if not more so, because of their global reach and important indoctrinatory function.
Are you saying that EVERY scientific organization in the world is falsifying data? NASA, National Geographic, American Meteorological Society, Scientific American, Royal Society,...
Re: Climate Change
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 11:51 am
by Pluto
That would really be saying something that would position me as total outsider, crank, and beyond. But those agencies and organisations which you mentioned are political entities. National Geographic works with NewsCorp to produce the National Geographic Channel. NASA is a government agency. These are not institutions of info to be trusted if we want to think critically about our societies and the world. This is the problem we're up against.
Re: Climate Change
Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 12:00 pm
by raw_thought
But they all support AGW. Is it a vast conspiracy?
Even the American Association of Petroleum Geologists! Why would an organization devoted to oil go against the petroleum industry?
The petroleum industry wants us to use more oil not less.
I think scientists have integrity. They are not all evil.