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vegetariantaxidermy wrote:Might be. I think it's probably more of a neuron malfunction though, like when you go to the fridge to find something but can't see it even though it's right in front of your face.

thedoc wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:Might be. I think it's probably more of a neuron malfunction though, like when you go to the fridge to find something but can't see it even though it's right in front of your face.

Some people call that a "senior moment".

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

thedoc wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:Might be. I think it's probably more of a neuron malfunction though, like when you go to the fridge to find something but can't see it even though it's right in front of your face.

Some people call that a "senior moment".

Touche. But I've been having them since my twenties.

Pluto wrote:A world where living things don't eat each other.

duszek wrote:It should be a world in which every evil act and every crime gets corrected within five seconds as if by magic.

You kill a person. The dead man gets up.
You steal a pound. The coin moves from your pocket to the owner´s pocket.
You throw a bomb into a building. The bomb does not explode because it takes longer than five seconds but if it does everything gets restored.
A poster posts some outrage. The outrage gets deleted before Rick can even see it.

And the perpetrator is turned into a piece of ice for some time. To cool down and to think about his acts.

Pluto wrote:A world where living things don't eat each other. And people can fly like Superman. The notion of work exists, but in such a radically different form, that we poor suckers wouldn't recognise it as such.

Melchior wrote:

Pluto wrote:A world where living things don't eat each other. And people can fly like Superman. The notion of work exists, but in such a radically different form, that we poor suckers wouldn't recognise it as such.

You are a complete fucking moron.

marjoram_blues wrote:

duszek wrote:It should be a world in which every evil act and every crime gets corrected within five seconds as if by magic.

You kill a person. The dead man gets up.
You steal a pound. The coin moves from your pocket to the owner´s pocket.
You throw a bomb into a building. The bomb does not explode because it takes longer than five seconds but if it does everything gets restored.
A poster posts some outrage. The outrage gets deleted before Rick can even see it.

And the perpetrator is turned into a piece of ice for some time. To cool down and to think about his acts.

If I ever killed a person, it would be for a good reason. I would not want that person to get up.
If I ever stole a pound, it would be for a good reason, I would want to keep it.
If I would ever throw a bomb into a building, it would be for a good reason, I would want it destroyed.
If a poster posts some outrage, it would be for a good reason, it would not be deleted.

Any act by a perpetrator would be thought of beforehand, and the perpetrator would see, or feel, the consequences of the action.

duszek wrote:

marjoram_blues wrote:

duszek wrote:It should be a world in which every evil act and every crime gets corrected within five seconds as if by magic.

You kill a person. The dead man gets up.
You steal a pound. The coin moves from your pocket to the owner´s pocket.
You throw a bomb into a building. The bomb does not explode because it takes longer than five seconds but if it does everything gets restored.
A poster posts some outrage. The outrage gets deleted before Rick can even see it.

And the perpetrator is turned into a piece of ice for some time. To cool down and to think about his acts.

If I ever killed a person, it would be for a good reason. I would not want that person to get up.
If I ever stole a pound, it would be for a good reason, I would want to keep it.
If I would ever throw a bomb into a building, it would be for a good reason, I would want it destroyed.
If a poster posts some outrage, it would be for a good reason, it would not be deleted.

Any act by a perpetrator would be thought of beforehand, and the perpetrator would see, or feel, the consequences of the action.

I accept that we cannot live in the same utopia then.


So many ideas of utopia; it would be impossible for everyone to live in the same one, doncha think? Unless, we were made non-human.

My response was an exercise in imagination and empathy; imagining what it would be like from the other's perspective and their idea of utopia where everything they wanted was handed to them. In your utopia, evil still exists and is corrected after the act. The perpetrator is 'iced, not 'niced', and gets to think about the evil act perpetrated. This may not change a thing; indeed the thawed perpetrator comes out the freezer with a grin, and looking for the next victim.

In my imagined utopia, prevention is better than cure. A would-be nasty gets to step into the shoes of a would-be victim and experience an equivalent amount of pain. Might even die, and go to a 'heaven', where there are no virgins waiting and no triumphant meeting of mates, and no Big Idol in the sky. This might make some reconsider their acts. If not, then their bottom would be injected with a big dose of Tolerance, Imagination and Empathy. Or summat like that...

Also, it would be clear what the source of the 'evil' would be; and be rectified. So, no injustice.
I guess some might go for a Universal Ethical System. Perhaps based on Isaac Asimov's Robot Rules...

Kayla wrote:
however since there is an argument to be made that a lot of creativity and whatnot requires suffering i would also provide multiple virtual realities of various degrees of shittiness

so if you decide that a world devoid of suffering is boring, you plug into a virtual reality - and if you are brave and / or insane you set the dial to 'total shitsack world' and flip the 'cannot wake up until virtually dead' switch to ON.