What kind of Utopia would you like to live in?

[thedoc]

Might be. I think it's probably more of a neuron malfunction though, like when you go to the fridge to find something but can't see it even though it's right in front of your face.

Some people call that a "senior moment".

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Might be. I think it's probably more of a neuron malfunction though, like when you go to the fridge to find something but can't see it even though it's right in front of your face.

Some people call that a "senior moment".

Touche. But I've been having them since my twenties.

[thedoc]

Might be. I think it's probably more of a neuron malfunction though, like when you go to the fridge to find something but can't see it even though it's right in front of your face.

Some people call that a "senior moment".

Touche. But I've been having them since my twenties.

Don't feel alone, so have I, and maybe before, I just don't remember.

[Pluto]

A world where living things don't eat each other. And people can fly like Superman. The notion of work exists, but in such a radically different form, that we poor suckers wouldn't recognise it as such.

[Ned]

A world where living things don't eat each other.

Looks like we have the same Utopia, Pluto!

[marjoram_blues]

It should be a world in which every evil act and every crime gets corrected within five seconds as if by magic.

You kill a person. The dead man gets up.
You steal a pound. The coin moves from your pocket to the owner´s pocket.
You throw a bomb into a building. The bomb does not explode because it takes longer than five seconds but if it does everything gets restored.
A poster posts some outrage. The outrage gets deleted before Rick can even see it.

And the perpetrator is turned into a piece of ice for some time. To cool down and to think about his acts.

If I ever killed a person, it would be for a good reason. I would not want that person to get up.
If I ever stole a pound, it would be for a good reason, I would want to keep it.
If I would ever throw a bomb into a building, it would be for a good reason, I would want it destroyed.
If a poster posts some outrage, it would be for a good reason, it would not be deleted.

Any act by a perpetrator would be thought of beforehand, and the perpetrator would see, or feel, the consequences of the action.

[bobevenson]

I would like to live in a Utopia where I was the Supreme Ruler, but in lieu of that, I'll settle for free-market capitalism overseen by the AEP.

[Melchior]

A world where living things don't eat each other. And people can fly like Superman. The notion of work exists, but in such a radically different form, that we poor suckers wouldn't recognise it as such.

You are a complete fucking moron.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

A world where living things don't eat each other. And people can fly like Superman. The notion of work exists, but in such a radically different form, that we poor suckers wouldn't recognise it as such.

You are a complete fucking moron.

I think you mean you. People who were against slavery were called 'morons' too.

[duszek]

It should be a world in which every evil act and every crime gets corrected within five seconds as if by magic.

You kill a person. The dead man gets up.
You steal a pound. The coin moves from your pocket to the owner´s pocket.
You throw a bomb into a building. The bomb does not explode because it takes longer than five seconds but if it does everything gets restored.
A poster posts some outrage. The outrage gets deleted before Rick can even see it.

And the perpetrator is turned into a piece of ice for some time. To cool down and to think about his acts.

If I ever killed a person, it would be for a good reason. I would not want that person to get up.
If I ever stole a pound, it would be for a good reason, I would want to keep it.
If I would ever throw a bomb into a building, it would be for a good reason, I would want it destroyed.
If a poster posts some outrage, it would be for a good reason, it would not be deleted.

Any act by a perpetrator would be thought of beforehand, and the perpetrator would see, or feel, the consequences of the action.

I accept that we cannot live in the same utopia then.

But think about this:
Why should you have a reason to kill someone in my utopia ?
If he did something evil towards you his act would get corrected within five seconds.
You would not even have time to notice it.

[Ned]

I would like to live in a world where mindless hatred does not exist. Mindless anything doesn't exist. Where you can have differences of opinion and you can sit down and discuss them rationally, civilly, not just talking but listening, considering each other's point of view from every possible angle. Where you admit it when you were wrong and willing to change your mind.

Wouldn't it be heaven?

[marjoram_blues]

It should be a world in which every evil act and every crime gets corrected within five seconds as if by magic.

You kill a person. The dead man gets up.
You steal a pound. The coin moves from your pocket to the owner´s pocket.
You throw a bomb into a building. The bomb does not explode because it takes longer than five seconds but if it does everything gets restored.
A poster posts some outrage. The outrage gets deleted before Rick can even see it.

And the perpetrator is turned into a piece of ice for some time. To cool down and to think about his acts.

If I ever killed a person, it would be for a good reason. I would not want that person to get up.
If I ever stole a pound, it would be for a good reason, I would want to keep it.
If I would ever throw a bomb into a building, it would be for a good reason, I would want it destroyed.
If a poster posts some outrage, it would be for a good reason, it would not be deleted.

Any act by a perpetrator would be thought of beforehand, and the perpetrator would see, or feel, the consequences of the action.

I accept that we cannot live in the same utopia then.


So many ideas of utopia; it would be impossible for everyone to live in the same one, doncha think? Unless, we were made non-human.

My response was an exercise in imagination and empathy; imagining what it would be like from the other's perspective and their idea of utopia where everything they wanted was handed to them. In your utopia, evil still exists and is corrected after the act. The perpetrator is 'iced, not 'niced', and gets to think about the evil act perpetrated. This may not change a thing; indeed the thawed perpetrator comes out the freezer with a grin, and looking for the next victim.

In my imagined utopia, prevention is better than cure. A would-be nasty gets to step into the shoes of a would-be victim and experience an equivalent amount of pain. Might even die, and go to a 'heaven', where there are no virgins waiting and no triumphant meeting of mates, and no Big Idol in the sky. This might make some reconsider their acts. If not, then their bottom would be injected with a big dose of Tolerance, Imagination and Empathy. Or summat like that...

Also, it would be clear what the source of the 'evil' would be; and be rectified. So, no injustice.
I guess some might go for a Universal Ethical System. Perhaps based on Isaac Asimov's Robot Rules...

[Kayla]

i would create a world devoid of suffering etc

however since there is an argument to be made that a lot of creativity and whatnot requires suffering i would also provide multiple virtual realities of various degrees of shittiness

so if you decide that a world devoid of suffering is boring, you plug into a virtual reality - and if you are brave and / or insane you set the dial to 'total shitsack world' and flip the 'cannot wake up until virtually dead' switch to ON.

so you are go through a life in a shitty world until you are executed by being broken on the wheel and then skinned alive or whatever and after that you get disconnected

while in the real world you remember (if you want) what happened in virtual reality. you can select whether or not the reverse is true.

[marjoram_blues]

however since there is an argument to be made that a lot of creativity and whatnot requires suffering i would also provide multiple virtual realities of various degrees of shittiness

so if you decide that a world devoid of suffering is boring, you plug into a virtual reality - and if you are brave and / or insane you set the dial to 'total shitsack world' and flip the 'cannot wake up until virtually dead' switch to ON.

Yes. And then we would need a limitless supply of power...wouldn't do if there was an outage in the middle of a non-boring painful death...