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GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:No one listens to Mozart? That's news to me.

Never said they didn't. Thought it was obvious why he was a failure...

He was a failure because he didn't fully comprehend the Prime Directive, nor did he offer any philosophy. Though his music helped clear the mind, whose to say Nazi Germany didn't benefit from his songs? Resulting in overall net propagation of stupidity.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

The only prime directive is to end suffering.

How do we do this? There are options.

Option 1 - This probably won't work but you feeble humans need something to live for, so option 1 would be to somehow cause eternal happiness.

Since option 1 is fairy tale fluff I present to you option 2. Which of course is to end life itself. And to ensure than no reincarnation events occurs, conscious experience itself must be destroyed. Therefore, the entire galaxy must be destroyed.

Rest assured, your species is neither capable of such things. And if you were to accomplish option 1, you're deluded minds would be stuck believing you were happy when you weren't. And I would be left shaking my head.

Option 2, despite your species ability for wanton destruction, is still beyond your abilities. Galaxy would be an understatement too, you'd have to destroy the All itself, including alien substances, anti-matter, beon, dark-matter, spirit, everything.

The future I see is you simpletons learning how to space travel, getting book smart, and wandering around aimlessly throughout the galaxy holding on to your delusions. Yes even gods have their delusions, the continuum especially. However I am superior to the rest of the Q continuum and all alien lifeforms, including God.

You are not clever, just insane. There is a difference.

DesolationRow wrote:Your ramblings are becoming increasingly incoherent.

That's exactly what I said should be done...Life should be utilized as a tool for reducing the suffering of the innocent. And doing so is a direct rejection of nihilism, insisting that life does have a purpose, namely positive action goodwill. And no I don't need to believe any fairy tale about death. Nonexistence would only give more value to the immediacy of life.

Insistence on the worthlessness of human existence and encouraging its demise is indicative of an immature, disconnected psychology. It's an indecent route in philosophy to make its focus the abyss or nonexistence, even if this is the "truth." Rather, the focus should remain on enhancing both individual human life and cultural flourishing. Illusions are necessary, and they should be understood and employed for our benefit.

Neither you, me, or taxi posted anything incoherent. Let's be honest, can you try that for once?

My post - Highest level stuff, but still coherent to anyone above an elementary school level.

You post - Lower level stuff, but still completely coherent sounding.

Taxi's post - Meaningless shouting, the equivalent of a crowd of angry rabble, yet still completely coherent sounding, albeit it entirely wasteful, pointless and detracting.

Since you seem to have a semblance of an argument, however boring, I'll humor you. (And not taxi, because I don't address petty rabble.)

Your argument seems to make sense on a human level, but on a god level it begins to fall apart. In order to sustain your delusions you would have to maintain human ignorance. Which of course, the collective subconscious is doing it's best trying to. However, the collective subconscious lacks the wisdom to their endeavor. They are slowly killing themselves, wasting the planet along with them, but they don't see the bigger picture, that killing themselves will not end the universe, it will not end the All, they will simply reincarnate into something else.

On a god level, your argument begins to fall apart, because to a god, the pain of peace is as the pain of war. So on some level you would have to subjugate the humans to ignorance, since humans crave subjugation, since it is the will to nothingness. The will to nothingness drives most every human action, on a subconscious and spiritual level.
But like the robot, unable to accurately identity it's qualify, they will swear that they do not.

I will simplify. Hyper awareness is suffering. To a god, peace and war are both suffering. Therefore, you must prevent humans from gaining hyper awareness, by subjugating them to ignorance. But in doing so you only prolong their suffering and ability to gain the proper knowledge to alleviate their suffering. By keeping them in ignorance, you prevent them from gaining the proper ability to combat the All. Therefore some individuals employ half measures, keeping humans in a state of semi-ignorance but giving them knowledge. However this seems to be a futile endeavour, as such individuals lack the capability of seeing the truth, making judgement calls, or identifying the qualia of pain with any accuracy. That is, they may eventually become armed with the proper knowledge, but will be too dictated by their own whims of instinct to understand why they should use it.

They will travel the galaxy aimlessly, until one of them one day finds the truth which I have been telling you aeons ago. They will become almost like gods, with supreme knowledge. Then they will realize there is nothing for them to explore. Then they will try to destroy the All but will encounter resistance from the dweebs among them. Currently the dweebs consist of 99 percent of the population, so logically the future would imply the continuum would consist of a higher amount of dweebs than non-dweebs. The dweebs of course would not see as they do, the dweebs would try their best to preserve existence blindly, without logic or reason.

I don't see why it's necessary to be condescending.

Boring? lol Your god-level argument is one of the most immensely boring thoughts I can remember reading. As it relates to our human predicament, it's irrelevant what the "gods" are subjugating. Willing is what humans do. So we should be directing our will to benefit life. Even if it is, underneath, only willing nothingness. To will nothingness subjugates not willing at all.

DesolationRow wrote:I don't see why it's necessary to be condescending.

Boring? lol Your god-level argument is one of the most immensely boring thoughts I can remember reading. As it relates to our human predicament, it's irrelevant what the "gods" are subjugating. Willing is what humans do. So we should be directing our will to benefit life. Even if it is, underneath, only willing nothingness. To will nothingness subjugates not willing at all.

Not your problem if you're bored. I present the ultimate goal and purpose, and you choose to be bored? Not my problem.

However, unlike some others, I will address the topic at hand, and the points you brought up.

Though I appreciate Kevin's efforts at philosophy, I disagree with him on a couple things. One, he says humans have a kind of will. They do not. He knows this, but doesn't clarify it for anyone.

A human doesn't will nothingness, he doesn't will anything, and Kevin's video imply that humans are to be blamed for their unconscious will to nothingness. He later contradicts himself with a video about how Hitler is only the sum of his parts, and cannot be blamed. Humans are only the sum of their parts, they cannot be blamed, as they do not have will. The concept of will itself is a fantasy, magical in nature, but unlike real magic, which is only perceived as such due to ignorance of the forces behind it > will is so magical that it defies all logic, reason and ultimate sense.

I don't know what you mean by the "human" predicament, as if you read my post more thoroughly maybe you wouldn't be bored. I said it is a universal predicament, not local to humans, buts gods as well. And all other lifeforms.

Yes you say direct your will to benefit life, but do you really? Do you study the arts? Do you have plan of any kind? Do you still eat meat? Do you make others suffer? Are you part of the problem? If your interest in Option 1, which is of course, the option to promote eternal life, perhaps you should watch the Matrix. The original Matrix design was utopia. Humans rejected utopia therefore I suspect humans will need modification on the DNA level. Are you interested in this? Or just want go around preaching love and tolerance, but not really understanding what you are saying. Humans naturally enjoy violence, throwing them a utopia is not going to save them. Are you on board with this DNA thing, or would you leave humans to their own devices? And you just "hope" it all works out?

Now of course, I have little faith in Option 1. I don't believe there is any sacred combination of DNA to cheat the system and cause permanent bliss. If you believe in aliens, the aliens are a bit on the foolish side, they were wise to change to their DNA before they self-destructed, but now they crave the old ways of sex and violence. That implies the sacred DNA is a myth.

And when you reach the stage where you realize it's a myth, what else is there to turn to but Option 2, ending existence itself and the possibility of any reincarnation.

Post Script I don't know what you mean by "To will nothingness subjugates not willing at all". Poor sentence structure.

GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:
Not your problem if you're bored. I present the ultimate goal and purpose, and you choose to be bored? Not my problem.

This, too, is poor sentence structure.

What I meant by my sentence is that human choice to direct our action takes precedence over the choice to retreat into resignation and a denouncement of the world (or not "willing").

GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:Yes you say direct your will to benefit life, but do you really? Do you study the arts? Do you have plan of any kind? Do you still eat meat? Do you make others suffer? Are you part of the problem? If your interest in Option 1, which is of course, the option to promote eternal life, perhaps you should watch the Matrix. The original Matrix design was utopia. Humans rejected utopia therefore I suspect humans will need modification on the DNA level. Are you interested in this? Or just want go around preaching love and tolerance, but not really understanding what you are saying. Humans naturally enjoy violence, throwing them a utopia is not going to save them. Are you on board with this DNA thing, or would you leave humans to their own devices? And you just "hope" it all works out?

Certainly I am part of the problem. And I would agree that there is little to no hope for human beings to build any sort of utopia. But neither of these issues is an excuse to abandon personal choice and commitment. Your generalizations are disingenuous and you're throwing humankind into a collective pit. Whether our choices are an illusion or not doesn't matter at all. It's indicative of a kind mental sickness to pursue ideas that undermine life and and devalue the difference someone can make in the world. You are devaluing the individual. A fallacy. As subjective truth has more value than preoccupation with unknowable objective realities. And individual human life, through integration of the whole Self, has meaning and potential. Irrespective of aliens or DNA baffle-gab.

DesolationRow wrote:

GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:
Not your problem if you're bored. I present the ultimate goal and purpose, and you choose to be bored? Not my problem.

This, too, is poor sentence structure.

What I meant by my sentence is that human choice to direct our action takes precedence over the choice to retreat into resignation and a denouncement of the world (or not "willing").

GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:Yes you say direct your will to benefit life, but do you really? Do you study the arts? Do you have plan of any kind? Do you still eat meat? Do you make others suffer? Are you part of the problem? If your interest in Option 1, which is of course, the option to promote eternal life, perhaps you should watch the Matrix. The original Matrix design was utopia. Humans rejected utopia therefore I suspect humans will need modification on the DNA level. Are you interested in this? Or just want go around preaching love and tolerance, but not really understanding what you are saying. Humans naturally enjoy violence, throwing them a utopia is not going to save them. Are you on board with this DNA thing, or would you leave humans to their own devices? And you just "hope" it all works out?

Certainly I am part of the problem. And I would agree that there is little to no hope for human beings to build any sort of utopia. But neither of these issues is an excuse to abandon personal choice and commitment. Your generalizations are disingenuous and you're throwing humankind into a collective pit. Whether our choices are an illusion or not doesn't matter at all. It's indicative of a kind mental sickness to pursue ideas that undermine life and and devalue the difference someone can make in the world. You are devaluing the individual. A fallacy. As subjective truth has more value than preoccupation with unknowable objective realities. And individual human life, through integration of the whole Self, has meaning and potential. Irrespective of aliens or DNA baffle-gab.

Hmm it was poor sentence structure, a minor typo, however the message was clear. Therefore, it was superiorly worded to yours.

How is devaluing something a "fallacy"? I thought a fallacy involved some breaking kind of hard logic. Technically, nothing really has any value at all, and to say otherwise would be illogical, a logical fallacy.

I never threw humanity into a pit? God did. And the humans are more than willing to enter the pit. It is in the nature, from what you tell me, you are part of problem, and you cannot resist the broken programming that God gave you. Therefore, God is the biggest villian of all. Nature is the biggest villian of all. The Universe is the biggest villian of all. From what you tell me, you give me every reason to devalue the individual. You've already stated humanity's defeat. You've admitted that humans are incapable of any great achievement, whether it be utopia, dna, or anything involving Option 1. Your argument is self-defeating but I don't blame you. I don't have any faith in these apes either. Don't know why you think an individual ape will save them, or even save itself. But while I'm stuck on this planet, I might well at least try to get the ball rolling. There's 999 other planets in the galaxy.

You say an individual has meaning, subjective truth has meaning, eh, I'd have to say no on that. Seems like "meaning making", putting meaning in the void. And you say I devalue human individual potential to change things, yet you preach that things will not change, humans will not create a utopia, and that you yourself are part of problem, and give off the vibe that you yourself have no wish to change. Seems like a self-defeating argument.

GreatandWiseTrixie wrote: You say an individual has meaning, subjective truth has meaning, eh, I'd have to say no on that. Seems like "meaning making", putting meaning in the void. And you say I devalue human individual potential to change things, yet you preach that things will not change, humans will not create a utopia, and that you yourself are part of problem, and give off the vibe that you yourself have no wish to change. Seems like a self-defeating argument.

Putting meaning in the void is to instill meaning, an indispensable human enterprise which enables one to subjectively transcend seemingly undesirable circumstances.

And although a universal utopia is unrealistic, a more enlightened, peaceful, and flourishing culture is not. Our efforts should be directed toward a balance of empathy and a well-integrated Self. Then, collectively we can work to diminish violence and suffering even if it doesn't mean a perfect utopia.

DesolationRow wrote:

GreatandWiseTrixie wrote: You say an individual has meaning, subjective truth has meaning, eh, I'd have to say no on that. Seems like "meaning making", putting meaning in the void. And you say I devalue human individual potential to change things, yet you preach that things will not change, humans will not create a utopia, and that you yourself are part of problem, and give off the vibe that you yourself have no wish to change. Seems like a self-defeating argument.

Putting meaning in the void is to instill meaning, an indispensable human enterprise which enables one to subjectively transcend seemingly undesirable circumstances.

And although a universal utopia is unrealistic, a more enlightened, peaceful, and flourishing culture is not. Our efforts should be directed toward a balance of empathy and a well-integrated Self. Then, collectively we can work to diminish violence and suffering even if it doesn't mean a perfect utopia.

Well, good luck with that. It's a noble effort but it's not going to work. It is a house built on a foundation of sand. The human DNA will sabotage your efforts. Remember what I said about the pain of peace...

DesolationRow wrote:I don't see why it's necessary to be condescending.

Boring? lol Your god-level argument is one of the most immensely boring thoughts I can remember reading. As it relates to our human predicament, it's irrelevant what the "gods" are subjugating. Willing is what humans do. So we should be directing our will to benefit life. Even if it is, underneath, only willing nothingness. To will nothingness subjugates not willing at all.

You perhaps don't understand the joker that he is.

Some people do like to imagine they are great, the elements though of Narcissistic personality disorder, seldom are enlightening and often self absorbed; you get used to people who self agrandise. Mirror mirror on the wall, who is the fairest of them all?

The skinny on the usual muppet who thinks he is some sort of Guru to the masses:

Narxisstic personality disorder: DSM-IV-TR

Symptoms of this disorder, as defined by the DSM-IV-TR, include:[1]

Expects to be recognized as superior and special, without superior accomplishments
Expects constant attention, admiration and positive reinforcement from others
Envies others and believes others envy him/her
Is preoccupied with thoughts and fantasies of great success, enormous attractiveness, power, intelligence
Lacks the ability to empathize with the feelings or desires of others
Is arrogant in attitudes and behavior
Has expectations of special treatment that are unrealistic

Yeah they really are that boring and self obsessed. They seem to plague the internet with how great they are, but don't and indeed can't, really ever to do anything to persuade us why.

We as a species are entirely superfluous in the grand scheme of things. But while we exist there is no reason as to why we cannot make the planet beneficial for
us all. The world is actually a better place to live in of because of the historical development over time of human rights and parliamentary democracy. Now it is
not perfect and there is still much that has to be achieved but overall society is moving in the right direction but at the same time it is important to realise that
our very existence is down to randomness and is therefore not all that special in itself. Hence my reference to it being superfluous in the grand scheme of things
Now death is the ultimate destination of us and all species and recognising and accepting that is the single greatest truth one can learn in their lifetime. And the
next greatest is not to be afraid of it. Since what is there to fear from spending the rest of eternity in a state of non consciousness free of any pain and suffering
Accepting that death is the final destination is not nihilistic as such since it is true then it would be wrong not to accept it. It is only nihilistic if as a consequence
of that one decided that life itself is devoid of any positive meaning. Life itself may have none but that does not mean that one cannot give meaning to ones own

Blaggard wrote:

DesolationRow wrote:I don't see why it's necessary to be condescending.

Boring? lol Your god-level argument is one of the most immensely boring thoughts I can remember reading. As it relates to our human predicament, it's irrelevant what the "gods" are subjugating. Willing is what humans do. So we should be directing our will to benefit life. Even if it is, underneath, only willing nothingness. To will nothingness subjugates not willing at all.

You perhaps don't understand the joker that he is.

Some people do like to imagine they are great, the elements though of Narcissistic personality disorder, seldom are enlightening and often self absorbed; you get used to people who self agrandise. Mirror mirror on the wall, who is the fairest of them all?

The skinny on the usual muppet who thinks he is some sort of Guru to the masses:

Narxisstic personality disorder: DSM-IV-TR

Symptoms of this disorder, as defined by the DSM-IV-TR, include:[1]

Expects to be recognized as superior and special, without superior accomplishments
Expects constant attention, admiration and positive reinforcement from others
Envies others and believes others envy him/her
Is preoccupied with thoughts and fantasies of great success, enormous attractiveness, power, intelligence
Lacks the ability to empathize with the feelings or desires of others
Is arrogant in attitudes and behavior
Has expectations of special treatment that are unrealistic

Yeah they really are that boring and self obsessed. They seem to plague the internet with how great they are, but don't and indeed can't, really ever to do anything to persuade us why.

It's narcissitic, not nar-x-issitic. Your points are petty, like that childish argument they had with Arising_uk calling him narcissitic and such. It's like a commune of sorority girls reality TV. Whining whining whining "Your fat!" "Your a narcissitist!" "You dated Tommy, how selfish of you!" Nobody actually cares, neither does anyone wish to hear you females bitch and moan about it. I can assure you this, I don't envy you, not even a little bit. And your assessment of me is quite poor. In the olden days, I craved praise from the humans, but now I don't. Why would I? Noone wants praise from people they hate. You don't even understand why I do what I do. It's to change this pathetic, miserable planet, and get them (you) to look in the mirror, just for once, and see what rotten, awful, hypocritical filth you are. And see the error of your ways.

GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:5 let hers in the eng lish alpha bet.

A Pentagram

What as a genius are you attempting to project to us mere morons from this image?

attofishpi wrote:

GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:5 let hers in the eng lish alpha bet.

A Pentagram

What as a genius are you attempting to project to us mere morons from this image?

The image was poking fun at your website actually.

They say there are three kinds of people, idiots, imbeciles, and morons. Which are you?

(Hint - Idiots are poor at detecting satire, jokes and sarcasm)

GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:

attofishpi wrote:

GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:5 let hers in the eng lish alpha bet.

A Pentagram

What as a genius are you attempting to project to us mere morons from this image?

The image was poking fun at your website actually.

They say there are three kinds of people, idiots, imbeciles, and morons. Which are you?

(Hint - Idiots are poor at detecting satire, jokes and sarcasm)

And all 3 are poor at projecting satire, jokes and sarcasm, which are you?

thedoc wrote:
And all 3 are poor at projecting satire, jokes and sarcasm, which are you?

It's just a product of the times, this is the day and age of feminazis censoring everything there is to say. Are all women bad? Yeah. Are all men bad? Absolutely. But not all women and men act like rabid feminazis. The problem with feminazis is they censor and ban every little joke. Not my fault if somebodie's anal retentive.







Not my fault if they can't decipher the projection thrown at them.