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HexHammer wrote:

Greylorn Ell wrote:

HexHammer wrote:GPS relies heavily on SRT, on Einsteins understanding of Dialation and Lengthcontraction, tho GPS are not that accurate at the poles, where the Russian version of GPS are much more accurate.

Hex,
That's new information, and I'm interested. Would you kindly pass along a reference?

That's VERY old information, only suggesting that you don't watch much TV, it has been heavily documented, even here on Danish TV.

It's over 10 years old news.

Hex,
That's very interesting. I do watch TV documentaries, if only to track the state of speculative science as currently taught. Also an occasional inspiration for better ideas. Yet, never did I learn that the Russian GLONASS system worked better at extreme latitudes than GPS.

Wikipedia was helpful. The Russian improvements are not the consequence of any superior technology, but rather of focus. Their Navy makes use of the North Sea, and they are attentive to northern European states as well as many far north military installations. They've positioned their satellites for better polar coverage, and use a wider range of telemetry frequencies to reduce interference between satellites. They did a good job using enhanced technologies, but no new physics was involved. In a few years China's version of GPS may be better than either, at least in theoretical range and precision.

Greylorn

Greylorn Ell wrote: Z,
Thanks for the reply.

Nothing fresh about my sense of things; I'm old. Your English will improve as you go. What's more important is the accuracy of your comments and potential value of any insights you might have. This is a good place for me to learn things, and could be for you as well. We seem to have a significant international presence here; that could prove to be valuable as well as interesting.

I'm a few years from my last atomic physics class, but as I recall, the difference between matter and antimatter is the polarity of the charge. This has nothing to do with mass, does it? How then could antimatter exhibit anti-gravity? Isn't the mass of a positron about the same as that of an electron?

A question: Have you formally studied physics? If so, to what level? If not, admit it, and ask questions instead of asserting knowledge. Hex is one of the good guys on these forums, so don't piss him off.

If you obtain your physics information from documentary TV, may I recommend that you find more reliable sources? There is some good material on TV, but difficult to distinguish from the speculative nonsense and occasional serious errors.

Remember that the producers of TV shows have only one goal-- to sell cars, beer, toothpaste, insurance and anything else they can. Therefore their job is not to provide information that will make you smart and knowledgeable, because if that happened who would buy the stuff they sell? Their job is only to make you believe that you are smart and knowledgeable. while keeping you as ignorant as possible and more confused about the nature of reality than before you watched their programming.

Greylorn

Hi Graylorn,
I have studied physics in Prague (http://www-en.fjfi.cvut.cz/DesktopDefau ... uleId=1379) so I have a degree of engineering (master) of physics. But all my life I do "Inf.Tech." (for money) : (last years in large Swiss company). Because physics stayed as my love I suffer for its current status (inability to quantize gravity, dark matter, singularity, determinism ...). Because I'm thoughtful person, I try to think where the problem is and from time to time to share my considerations with like-minded environment. Often, however, I meet with pettiness, incompetence, low/weak insight, and great naivete or direct hostility ... As I did exact physical experiments (low temperature) in academic laboratory, as my math education is certainly high, I am insisted that at the first place here should act the logic.
I do not have language environment (weak dyslexia), I do not have a good motivation and I am not Don Quijote to fight rigid scholastic society with/on formal tools/level. The last thing that they want to hear is "Emperor is naked" :(
I hope that someone can take my opinions as a refreshment in hopeless odor of mainstream physics :)

You are still not qualified enough to challenge Greylorn, and if you do pose any relevant question or anything that challenges him he will ignore it.

It's like banging your head against the wall talking to him, he is the greatest living authority on any science, and at the same time the most ill educated to boot to claim such a fecund mind. Which in philosophy would be forgivable, but since he presumes to advance science by his ways it will not wash.

Just a heads up to let you know what you are dealing with, you could be Stephen Hawking and Richard Feynman, Schrödinger, Einstein, Paul Dirac, Heisenburg combined, you still will not penetrate his armour, even with that gestalt of genius.

He is a very odd character, so I feel free to warn you he is a supra genius and everything you say is somewhat beneath him. And I am not even kidding.
He calls all scientists living or dead twits and claims they are worshiping science and not his own unfathomable beliefs. Forewarned is forearmed.

Since he can't read anything I say I feel no need to distinguish myself with a lack of ad hominem. Even though none of mine were in science at least.

When he's waxing lyrical about science, feel free to challenge him though, it's the only way some people learn despite presumably a lifetime of ignoring anyone who disagrees with you and a cognative bias of belief in nothing substantial, that could in fact move mountains, if he applied himself, or so I believe.

It pays to consider the fool with which you may dance before one offers their hand.

He has me on ignore for being dyslexic, this is what you are dealing with.

I take every criticism of science as good and well meaning, every one, but I do make an exception for Greyhorn, he wont listen to anyone but himself. So discussion is pointless. The exception that proves the rule.

Cerveny wrote:

Greylorn Ell wrote: Z,
Thanks for the reply.

Nothing fresh about my sense of things; I'm old. Your English will improve as you go. What's more important is the accuracy of your comments and potential value of any insights you might have. This is a good place for me to learn things, and could be for you as well. We seem to have a significant international presence here; that could prove to be valuable as well as interesting.

I'm a few years from my last atomic physics class, but as I recall, the difference between matter and antimatter is the polarity of the charge. This has nothing to do with mass, does it? How then could antimatter exhibit anti-gravity? Isn't the mass of a positron about the same as that of an electron?

A question: Have you formally studied physics? If so, to what level? If not, admit it, and ask questions instead of asserting knowledge. Hex is one of the good guys on these forums, so don't piss him off.

If you obtain your physics information from documentary TV, may I recommend that you find more reliable sources? There is some good material on TV, but difficult to distinguish from the speculative nonsense and occasional serious errors.

Remember that the producers of TV shows have only one goal-- to sell cars, beer, toothpaste, insurance and anything else they can. Therefore their job is not to provide information that will make you smart and knowledgeable, because if that happened who would buy the stuff they sell? Their job is only to make you believe that you are smart and knowledgeable. while keeping you as ignorant as possible and more confused about the nature of reality than before you watched their programming.

Greylorn

Hi Graylorn,
I have studied physics in Prague (http://www-en.fjfi.cvut.cz/DesktopDefau ... uleId=1379) so I have a degree of engineering (master) of physics. But all my life I do "Inf.Tech." (for money) : (last years in large Swiss company). Because physics stayed as my love I suffer for its current status (inability to quantize gravity, dark matter, singularity, determinism ...). Because I'm thoughtful person, I try to think where the problem is and from time to time to share my considerations with like-minded environment. Often, however, I meet with pettiness, incompetence, low/weak insight, and great naivete or direct hostility ... As I did exact physical experiments (low temperature) in academic laboratory, as my math education is certainly high, I am insisted that at the first place here should act the logic.
I do not have language environment (weak dyslexia), I do not have a good motivation and I am not Don Quijote to fight rigid scholastic society with/on formal tools/level. The last thing that they want to hear is "Emperor is naked"
I hope that someone can take my opinions as a refreshment in hopeless odor of mainstream physics

Z,

You're on. I appreciate and share your sense of physics. Your dyslexic second-language English works good enough, and since it's infinitely superior to my command of Czech, we can deal with misunderstandings as they come. Let's solve some problems together.

We have a more tolerant society here than in the Czech Republic. It is okay for the Emperor to be naked, or to be a homosexual married to a transvestite. However, if he/she/it is parading around with a large carrot protruding from his/her/its asshole, those who voted for the Emperor will be reluctant to admit having done so.

It is becoming increasingly difficult to find anyone who will make such an admission.

Greylorn

It's become increasingly difficult to find anyone who will agree with Greyhorn. Well there's an eye opener and no mistake, ever considered it might be because your words are babble and your theories nonsensical? Or is it by some miracle that everyone else is wrong. Is it, inquiring minds would like to know how, but since you don't listen to anyone who disagrees with you they never will.

A man in a dark room who knows where the light switch is and wont turn it on for fear of meeting reason in the light of anyone who disagrees with you even a little, and is far more qualified than you to do so. I wish you luck with the placing your fingers in your ear and screaming I am not listening everyone else is wrong even though I can't persuade them why. It seems to me reason and experiment bring their own reward, one cannot argue with either if they are well founded. One cannot argue with a brick wall either it can't indulge in either reason or evidence, it hence is immovable. It hence is here not to debate but to proselytise its religion, it hence will not be listened to. You dig your grave with all the aplomb of a martyr, but none of the reason.

Science is open, science takes all criticism at face value unless it is backed up by experiment. Philosophy likewise, since he indulges neither in experiment in science, or logic and reason, we can hence place his ideas in the pile marked wank. And regard his vacuous intrigue as nothing more than opinion. It's his funeral. In 2 years I doubt he will convince anyone else either. But that is not for me to know, I am not psychic, I leave such powers to others such as El.

Forewarned is forearmed, to penetrate a messiah such as El is impossible, he knows all, and profanes the temple of both reason and science, by doing so without any sort of argument, anyone can make sense of.

We all know science is wrong about everything, it is what keeps it an active field. Being right about some things, perhaps on the right trail but at the same time dead wrong. What wont advance science though is people who have all the answers and nothing at all to back that up except conjecture. You can't avoid the fact that Greyhorn will never do anything in science, because he is simply too lazy to do the least thing any 1st year graduate could do, and that is prove it. They don't give Nobel prizes to embittered people who haven't worked to provide a legitimate peer reviewed answer to the problems of science. They don't offer anything to a person who is unwilling even to do anything in science or philosophy except express his own ideas as if somehow by magic they will be an answer without any effort but imagination and a dream.

The world of reason is a hard place, but a fair one. Greyhorn does not live in it, well bye bye to the plucky loser- no real loss don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Greyhorn is playing a game of chess against himself, one where can not lose. But as we all know when the only person playing is yourself and you have all the moves, you will not win anything. If you can never be wrong about anything, you can never be right about anything either. That's how it works. Religion is never wrong about anything, that should be his first move on the board, hell let him take white, against his own black, he will make only the moves that he can against himself, which is a sorry state to see anyone of reason get in to.