Existence

[VVilliam]

You either HEAR nondual speak or you don’t.

The point of bothering with nondual speak is to point any philosophical argument beyond the dualistic nature of the words being expressed.

I personally think the nondual speak as and through the ALEX character is perfectly well expressed, but only because I can see what is being pointed to.

Using dualic language ..is a necessity in any nondual discussion..because to remove a thorn requires a thorn. There are many ways to tweak the thorn away, but once it’s been tweaked away, that’s when the final understanding is laid bare. Everything becomes blindingly obvious and clear in that realisation.The realisation that nothing and everything are the same One reality.

And that oneness has no real argument with itself, rather, all dialogue is just self interacting with itself. In reality there is no other self because there is only self. All other apparent selves are appearing from the one self, which is no self.

This is easier to understand, [thank you] but it fails to clear up why "the ALEX character" thinks that I am advocating a position of duality. Even when it was explained by me that if there is something, then there cannot be "nothing", the reply was one insisting there had to be 'nothing' in order to appease the idea of dualism [opposites].

Obviously is it Alex who is advocating duality [in this case] by arguing that nothing exists because something exists. Can you not understand how that appears to the reader? In the most basic terms it appears to be a hypocritical argument Alex used.

So what is this position called anyway? Do you have a name for it? Are there links you can provide which the reader might go to freely study?

As it stands, if one has to use the language of duality in order to express the concept of non-duality, this is signature enough that something crooked is attempting to twist its way into the process...but why? For what purpose?

But saying "You either HEAR nondual speak or you don’t." doesn't help one's case. It rather sounds like something a cult would dream up in answer to serious pertinent questions about its beliefs and methodology.

[AlexW]

Obviously is it Alex who is advocating duality [in this case] by arguing that nothing exists because something exists.

You should read more carefully... I said nothing, just like something exists conceptually..
I also explained multiple times, that what only exists conceptually does not exist in reality, it is made/thought up and as such only exists in thought world.

I am using a tool of duality called language to express the concept of non duality... as you can see this is not always easy... there is a good reason why many ancient scriptures employ metaphors instead of direct explanations... if you prefer I can explain in metaphors as well, just thought that you, as you gravitate toward sim theory might understand a more direct approach... obviously not... doesn’t matter... nothing gained nothing lost.

[VVilliam]

Obviously is it Alex who is advocating duality [in this case] by arguing that nothing exists because something exists.

You should read more carefully... I said nothing, just like something exists conceptually..
I also explained multiple times, that what only exists conceptually does not exist in reality, it is made/thought up and as such only exists in thought world.

I am using a tool of duality called language to express the concept of non duality... as you can see this is not always easy... there is a good reason why many ancient scriptures employ metaphors instead of direct explanations... if you prefer I can explain in metaphors as well, just thought that you, as you gravitate toward sim theory might understand a more direct approach... obviously not... doesn’t matter... nothing gained nothing lost.

You are invited to read my OP in a thread I just created;

Simulation Theory and The Theory that Nothing Exists

and give intelligent comment as you will.

I created the thread motivated by our current discussion here in this thread and also because I think the conversation changed tracks and chuffed away from the point of my original post. I liked the track it was going down, and thought it deserved it's own thread-track...