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Ginkgo wrote:

bobevenson wrote:It's not God's decisions you should be questioning, it's our religious, cultural and social institutions you should be questioning, which prevent God's will from reaching our minds: "For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled." -Revelation 17:17

I see. You are focusing specifically on decisions in relation to men and God. That being the case then I would say "decisions" in relation to the Revelation quote means that free will is not compatible with omniscience.

As a prophet, I am saying that one should not be questioning God's design decisions, but rather the religious, cultural and social institutions that lead us to question them. Ouzo is the only road to spiritual salvation.

bobevenson wrote:

Ginkgo wrote:

bobevenson wrote:It's not God's decisions you should be questioning, it's our religious, cultural and social institutions you should be questioning, which prevent God's will from reaching our minds: "For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled." -Revelation 17:17

I see. You are focusing specifically on decisions in relation to men and God. That being the case then I would say "decisions" in relation to the Revelation quote means that free will is not compatible with omniscience.

As a prophet, I am saying that one should not be questioning God's design decisions, but rather the religious, cultural and social institutions that lead us to question them. Ouzo is the only road to omniscience.

Ah, a no free will theorist I see.

Ginkgo wrote:Ah, a no free will theorist I see.

It's not a theory, it's a fact. If you could take the "DNA you" from 10,000 years ago, living in another part of the world, and put both of you in a suit and tie, you would look identical, but your thoughts, ideas, feelings and thinking processes would be entirely different. Free will? No way, my friend, no way. We are all prisoners of our religious, cultural and social institutions.

bobevenson wrote:

Ginkgo wrote:Ah, a no free will theorist I see.

It's not a theory, it's a fact. If you could take the "DNA you" from 10,000 years ago, living in another part of the world, and put both of you in a suit and tie, you would look identical, but your thoughts, ideas, feelings and thinking processes would be entirely different. Free will? No way, my friend, no way. We are all prisoners of our religious, cultural and social institutions.

In order for it to be "fact" one would need to know the the state of the universe at any particular moment in time and be confident enough to say say that particular causes have particular effects. Not really possible. You probably means something other than "facts".

Ginkgo wrote:

bobevenson wrote:

Ginkgo wrote:Ah, a no free will theorist I see.

It's not a theory, it's a fact. If you could take the "DNA you" from 10,000 years ago, living in another part of the world, and put both of you in a suit and tie, you would look identical, but your thoughts, ideas, feelings and thinking processes would be entirely different. Free will? No way, my friend, no way. We are all prisoners of our religious, cultural and social institutions.

In order for it to be "fact" one would need to know the the state of the universe at any particular moment in time and be confident enough to say say that particular causes have particular effects. Not really possible. You probably means something other than "facts".

Let's just say it's an implied thought-process reality.

bobevenson wrote:It's not a theory, it's a fact. If you could take the "DNA you" from 10,000 years ago, living in another part of the world, and put both of you in a suit and tie, you would look identical, but your thoughts, ideas, feelings and thinking processes would be entirely different. Free will? No way, my friend, no way. We are all prisoners of our religious, cultural and social institutions.

Bob are you saying God has no right to judge me for my choices and ergo i have no right to judge IT for what it did to me?

attofishpi wrote:

bobevenson wrote:It's not a theory, it's a fact. If you could take the "DNA you" from 10,000 years ago, living in another part of the world, and put both of you in a suit and tie, you would look identical, but your thoughts, ideas, feelings and thinking processes would be entirely different. Free will? No way, my friend, no way. We are all prisoners of our religious, cultural and social institutions.

Bob are you saying God has no right to judge me for my choices and ergo i have no right to judge IT for what it did to me?

In light of Bob's Revelation quote we can conclude that we are not responsible for our actions, so on this basis God has no right to judge anyone for their actions. This is the logical consequent of the quote.

It's our religious, cultural and social institutions, and the false prophets who manipulate them that come under the baleful eye of God.

bobevenson wrote:It's our religious, cultural and social institutions, and the false prophets who manipulate them that come under the baleful eye of God.

That may well be the case, but that changes nothing in relation to the question of responsibility and free will.

Ginkgo wrote:

bobevenson wrote:It's our religious, cultural and social institutions, and the false prophets who control them that come under the baleful eye of God.

That may well be the case, but that changes nothing in relation to the question of responsibility and free will.

We have neither free will nor responsibility for our actions, all of which are controlled by our institutions and their false prophets. The Ouzo Cross is a symbolic representation of the struggle between good and evil, the Christ line versus the beast line (see "The Ouzo Prophecy" at http://church-of-ouzo.com/pdf/ouzo-prophecy.pdf).

bobevenson wrote:

Ginkgo wrote:

bobevenson wrote:It's our religious, cultural and social institutions, and the false prophets who control them that come under the baleful eye of God.

That may well be the case, but that changes nothing in relation to the question of responsibility and free will.

We have neither free will nor responsibility for our actions, all of which are controlled by our institutions and their false prophets. The Ouzo Cross is a symbolic representation of the struggle between good and evil, the Christ line versus the beast line (see "The Ouzo Prophecy" at http://church-of-ouzo.com/pdf/ouzo-prophecy.pdf).

This being the case then it is a pointless exercise on the part of God to exercise any sort of balefulness because he knows all human events are directed by him (Revelations quote) and there is no free will (your quote).

Ginkgo wrote:This being the case then it is a pointless exercise on the part of God to exercise any sort of balefulness because he knows all human events are directed by him (Revelations quote) and there is no free will (your quote).

Satan cast a third of the stars out of heaven (Rev. 12:4), leaving two-thirds or 666 stars out of a thousand. Two-thirds of God's light in the form of the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ times one-third of Holy Trinity in the form of the Ouzo Cross repeats the ratio of 2 to 9, the same ratio as the beast line and the Christ line of the Ouzo Cross, and the ratio of the numbers triangulating to 666 (the numbers 8 and 36), representing the beast defeating mankind, whose only salvation is playing and understanding the game of Ouzo.

bobevenson wrote:

Ginkgo wrote:This being the case then it is a pointless exercise on the part of God to exercise any sort of balefulness because he knows all human events are directed by him (Revelations quote) and there is no free will (your quote).

Satan cast a third of the stars out of heaven (Rev. 12:4), leaving two-thirds or 666 stars out of a thousand. Two-thirds of God's light in the form of the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ times one-third of Holy Trinity in the form of the Ouzo Cross repeats the ratio of 2 to 9, the same ratio as the beast line and the Christ line of the Ouzo Cross, and the ratio of the numbers triangulating to 666 (the numbers 8 and 36), representing the beast defeating mankind, whose only salvation is playing and understanding the game of Ouzo.

We can save the world by playing a game?

Ginko wrote:We can save the world by playing a game?

Good point. What exactly do you expect of mankind playing your game Bob?

attofishpi wrote:

Ginko wrote:We can save the world by playing a game?

Good point. What exactly do you expect of mankind playing your game Bob?

If there is no such things as free will then the outcome of the game will always be predetermined.