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Posted: **Tue Apr 29, 2014 7:12 am**

dratsab wrote:"The moral of the story is to not bite off the hand that feeds you. That means to not take advaantage or exploit nature for your selfish wants and desires. That's causation, and that always has to take it's course no matter what, if you know what I mean."

How ironic coming from someone who takes advantage of the marvels of man-made technology.

"That's because you obviously have tunnel vision, You can't see the forest for the trees, or rather, you can't see the life, for the self."

It seems you missed the part of my post where I said it is in man's best interest to not destroy nature, but not for nature's sake, but for man's sake.
No, you misunderstood, my point was that man and nature are in fact one in the same thing, that to destroy either, destroys both.

"Give me a nice Cathedral or a rennaissance bridge any day over those 20th century eye sores."

I prefer secular beauty and praising the marvels of technological advancement over that of nostalgia, but to each his own.
This assumes that the course man took, was the proper one to pursue. I say that it wasn't, seeing a different technological skyline, that he could have had, one much better.
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I must also say that I take great pride in being bashed for being American. I'm hardly tribal, and I find "patriotism" to be practiced by fools, but America is truly the land of innovation. The fact that Americans don't know much about other countries, and the fact that other countries know a lot about America, that isn't because Americans are fools, but because other countries know America is worth studying while their own country has work to do to earn our attention.

I'm also an American, yet see no better or worse, only different.

Posted: **Tue Apr 29, 2014 9:29 am**

dratsab wrote:"The moral of the story is to not bite off the hand that feeds you. That means to not take advaantage or exploit nature for your selfish wants and desires. That's causation, and that always has to take it's course no matter what, if you know what I mean."

How ironic coming from someone who takes advantage of the marvels of man-made technology.

"That's because you obviously have tunnel vision, You can't see the forest for the trees, or rather, you can't see the life, for the self."

It seems you missed the part of my post where I said it is in man's best interest to not destroy nature, but not for nature's sake, but for man's sake.

"Give me a nice Cathedral or a rennaissance bridge any day over those 20th century eye sores."

I prefer secular beauty and praising the marvels of technological advancement over that of nostalgia, but to each his own.

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I must also say that I take great pride in being bashed for being American. I'm hardly tribal, and I find "patriotism" to be practiced by fools, but America is truly the land of innovation. The fact that Americans don't know much about other countries, and the fact that other countries know a lot about America, that isn't because Americans are fools, but because other countries know America is worth studying while their own country has work to do to earn our attention.

You take great pride in being an arrogant, insular shit-head? Perhaps others know about you because your country is always poking its big, fat nose into others' affairs, and is hell-bent on destroying the world. PS Having the biggest guns does NOT equal being the best. Grow up!

Posted: **Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:55 pm**

Er actually its because we learn world history at school including about America, where as Americans learn American history at school and nothing about world history.

Is it any wonder then that most of the world is able to grasp American history, but Americans are completely devoid of information about the rest of the world. No. We're not fascinated by you, concerned may be that given your history you have abandoned all the values that made your country better than Europe, a meritocracy instead of a country that was an elitocracy like Europe was at the time, and then went and turned it all around and made it an Elitocracy where the few rule the many, where as Europe now is the more liberal condition to which th US strived to create. The irnoy is not lost on us, you're now little more than an elitocracy ruled by big business interests and lobby groups with only a minority interest in mind, kinda like the feudal monarchy of the past that you fought so hard to get away from...

You love your failed system far more than we love our failed system, but then we don't act as apologists for the shit we are in.

Posted: **Tue Apr 29, 2014 11:00 pm**

Only fools, with penis envy or other types, blame large groups, for something, as if all inclusive, and not the individuals that they can "know" are guilty. They should grow up as well! Lets talk of freewill and how it pertains to cogs in a wheel.

I rest my case!

Posted: **Tue Apr 29, 2014 11:08 pm**

SpheresOfBalance wrote:Only fools, with penis envy or other types, blame large groups, for something, as if all inclusive, and not the individuals that they can "know" are guilty. They should grow up as well! Lets talk of freewill and how it pertains to cogs in a wheel.

I rest my case!

There is definitely such a thing as a National mind-set, otherwise every country would be the same. Compare antiques roadshow with antiques roadshow US. The American version is all about money, with no soul, personality or character. Same goes for any American version of English shows. What other Nationality blathers on about 'freedom and liberty'? especially when it appears to have neither.

Posted: **Tue Apr 29, 2014 11:27 pm**

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
SpheresOfBalance wrote:Only fools, with penis envy or other types, blame large groups, for something, as if all inclusive, and not the individuals that they can "know" are guilty. They should grow up as well! Lets talk of freewill and how it pertains to cogs in a wheel.

I rest my case!
There is definitely such a thing as a National mind-set, otherwise every country would be the same. Compare antiques roadshow with antiques roadshow US. The American version is all about money, with no soul, personality or character. Same goes for any American version of English shows. What other Nationality blathers on about 'freedom and liberty'? especially when it appears to have neither.

Your fools errand not mine, what you say does not apply to me nor others that I know, and you're not averaging either, as you have not conducted any kind of real scientific survey, so as to arrive at your conclusion. You're speaking of pride and bias and nothing more, "prove" otherwise! Actually though, If only one American disagrees with your points, you speak a falsehood, as your words have obviously held all Americans accountable. Thus you are a child of no real consequence, when it comes to critical thinking, of factual data, of truth, of all actuality! Generalizations are not facts governing specifics! It's the other way around.

Posted: **Tue Apr 29, 2014 11:39 pm**

SpheresOfBalance wrote:
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
SpheresOfBalance wrote:Only fools, with penis envy or other types, blame large groups, for something, as if all inclusive, and not the individuals that they can "know" are guilty. They should grow up as well! Lets talk of freewill and how it pertains to cogs in a wheel.

I rest my case!
There is definitely such a thing as a National mind-set, otherwise every country would be the same. Compare antiques roadshow with antiques roadshow US. The American version is all about money, with no soul, personality or character. Same goes for any American version of English shows. What other Nationality blathers on about 'freedom and liberty'? especially when it appears to have neither.
Your fools errand not mine, what you say does not apply to me nor others that I know, and you're not averaging either, as you have not conducted any kind of real scientific survey, so as to arrive at your conclusion. You're speaking of pride and bias and nothing more, "prove" otherwise! Actually though, If only one American disagrees with your points, you speak a falsehood, as your words have obviously held all Americans accountable. Thus you are a child of no real consequence, when it comes to critical thinking, of factual data, of truth, of all actuality! Generalizations are not facts governing specifics! It's the other way around.

Give me a break. You are all brainwashed from a young age to worship a piece of rag. I think that accounts for your collective National insanity. I'm sure there must be some quietly spoken, modest Americans, probably about .01 per cent of the population.Then there's the obsession with guns, the constant meddling in other countries, the need to be bullying at least one country at any given time 'in the interests of protecting AMERICAN lives (because they are the most important) and National security'. It's not the rest of the world's fault you give such a bad impression.

Posted: **Wed Apr 30, 2014 1:21 am**

SpheresOfBalance wrote:Only fools, with penis envy or other types, blame large groups, for something, as if all inclusive, and not the individuals that they can "know" are guilty. They should grow up as well! Lets talk of freewill and how it pertains to cogs in a wheel.

I rest my case!

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
SpheresOfBalance wrote:
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: There is definitely such a thing as a National mind-set, otherwise every country would be the same. Compare antiques roadshow with antiques roadshow US. The American version is all about money, with no soul, personality or character. Same goes for any American version of English shows. What other Nationality blathers on about 'freedom and liberty'? especially when it appears to have neither.
Your fools errand not mine, what you say does not apply to me nor others that I know, and you're not averaging either, as you have not conducted any kind of real scientific survey, so as to arrive at your conclusion. You're speaking of pride and bias and nothing more, "prove" otherwise! Actually though, If only one American disagrees with your points, you speak a falsehood, as your words have obviously held all Americans accountable. Thus you are a child of no real consequence, when it comes to critical thinking, of factual data, of truth, of all actuality! Generalizations are not facts governing specifics! It's the other way around.
Give me a break. You are all brainwashed from a young age to worship a piece of rag. I think that accounts for your collective National insanity. I'm sure there must be some quietly spoken, modest Americans, probably about .01 per cent of the population.Then there's the obsession with guns, the constant meddling in other countries, the need to be bullying at least one country at any given time 'in the interests of protecting AMERICAN lives (because they are the most important) and National security'. It's not the rest of the world's fault you give such a bad impression.

And I for one shall fight for your right to voice your opinion, though I also have the right to argue against it, and I do, most emphatically. You have insulted me on no grounds what so ever, yet I have not purposefully done so to you. I have paid your country the utmost respect, assuming it's the UK. Not that it really matters, but like I've said before, my sir name is in fact an English name. But I have nothing against any country, so that takes care of that. I really do believe that the pride a citizen of the world has, is better than that, when a colorful rag is unfurled. For the longest time I've laughed at all nations for having flags in the first place, like so much cave paintings, and wondered who the first country was to think of such things, and why all the other idiots followed suit. To me it's asinine.

For instance, I wouldn't let my son say the pledge of allegiance at school, because it reads, "...one nation under god..." As if in fact there is a god, it's not only, "all nations under god," but rather, "the entire universe under god." I also told the school that I didn't want my child to worship any flag that wasn't a picture of the planet in the center with all different colored hands holding it up in the air! That's the kind of person you're talking to.

Posted: **Wed Apr 30, 2014 2:27 am**

SpheresOfBalance wrote: For instance, I wouldn't let my son say the pledge of allegiance at school, because it reads, "...one nation under god..." As if in fact there is a god, it's not only, "all nations under god," but rather, "the entire universe under god." I also told the school that I didn't want my child to worship any flag that wasn't a picture of the planet in the center with all different colored hands holding it up in the air! That's the kind of person you're talking to.

There are obviously not enough like you to make a difference to how you come across then. 'The exceptions prove the rule' as they say. That's unfortunate for you. What percentage of parents don't allow their children to worship the rag? You are being forced into the position of making your child stand out as 'unpatriotic' and thus vulnerable to harassment.
No point in being a cry baby about it. If your country insists on being a military super-power that bullies the rest of the world then you have to expect criticism. You don't live in a dictatorship.

Posted: **Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:42 am**

SpheresOfBalance wrote:
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: You are all brainwashed from a young age to worship a piece of rag.
I also told the school that I didn't want my child to worship any flag that wasn't a picture of the planet in the center with all different colored hands holding it up in the air!

No-one should worship a piece of rag or a flag, rather there should be respect for what the flag represents. A flag is a symbol, and I agree that the US has fallen away from what the flag originally represented. There are many who want to take away what the flag originally represented, but that does not mean that the flag does not still represent those ideals. The citizens just need to reassert their rights and stand up to the corruption and corporations (funny the spelling is so close) that are trying to suppress them. What the flag represents hasn't changed, what the country is doing has changed.

Posted: **Fri May 16, 2014 5:42 pm**

"I'm also an American, yet see no better or worse, only different."

So, Saudi Arabia vs Sweden, neither country is better just different? Child rapist VS hero, neither one is better just different? Any moral choice is just subjective? No objective standards of quality?

"Give me a break. You are all brainwashed from a young age to worship a piece of rag. I think that accounts for your collective National insanity. I'm sure there must be some quietly spoken, modest Americans, probably about .01 per cent of the population.Then there's the obsession with guns, the constant meddling in other countries, the need to be bullying at least one country at any given time 'in the interests of protecting AMERICAN lives (because they are the most important) and National security'. It's not the rest of the world's fault you give such a bad impression."

Lolz, for you to talk of modesty is funny, since you spout hateful rage and think your opinion is better than anyone else's. Don't get me wrong, I think my opinion is better than other people's too, but I'm not a hypocrite about it. Also, my opinion really is better than yours, objectively, so there's that. Enjoy your tribal nature worship though... while conversing on the internet.

Posted: **Fri May 16, 2014 6:40 pm**

dratsab wrote:"The moral of the story is to not bite off the hand that feeds you. That means to not take advaantage or exploit nature for your selfish wants and desires. That's causation, and that always has to take it's course no matter what, if you know what I mean."

How ironic coming from someone who takes advantage of the marvels of man-made technology.

Obviously I do, and I'm pretty sure many people in the world have this kind of technology due to the globalized economy. However, it does not disprove what I'm saying as to the regards of how technology is having a negative effect on the environment, and is having a negative effect on humans and society. Saying that I myself take advantage of man made technology may make me a hypocrite, but it does not mean that I shouldn't voice any concerns over the negative consequences of technology, and how it has been used for war and oppression towards the world population.

dratsab wrote: I must also say that I take great pride in being bashed for being American. I'm hardly tribal, and I find "patriotism" to be practiced by fools, but America is truly the land of innovation. The fact that Americans don't know much about other countries, and the fact that other countries know a lot about America, that isn't because Americans are fools, but because other countries know America is worth studying while their own country has work to do to earn our attention.

That's your opinion, but it is not grounded on fact whatsoever. Many people hate America is because America has become the leading world policemen in invading countries and exploiting them for oil and other natural resources (in connection to OPEC, for example), instigating coups against governments that aren't dependent on the U.S. and globalization and creating and funding terrorist groups (such as al Qaeda and the Muslim Brotherhood), and also supporting regimes such as Israel as they persecute Palestinians, Sephardic and Ethiopian Jews, Africans, and Christians as well.

As for "innovation", America is completely backwards from "innovation". The technology is crap: the internet grid is actually fragile; the foods and water supplies are riddled with chemicals such as GMOs, and toxins and poisons such as sodium fluoride. The medicines are crap: people die from prescription drugs and are die and suffer from inadequate medicines as vaccines and other chemicals. Much of the population in America is of low morale, and I know this because I live in America myself and just witness the immaturity of children and adults. Also, the "democracy" in America is nothing more than a two party totalitarian system, that spies on everybody via technology, that has enslaved Black people out of racism and has exploited and oppressed the Native Americans and Mexicans (who had Texas, New Mexico, California, etc., before the war against U.S.) in the name of "manifest destiny", tortures civilians and others even outside America, has experimented with mind control against people to create more efficient psychological manipulation methods, is controlled by bankers on Wall Street and the Federal Reserve (along with corporations), and has aggressive and tyrannical authorities that crack down on those who object to this "democracy".

The fact that you've practically said that other countries are somehow unworthy of America in terms of "innovation" shows your immaturity and ignorance of other cultures. Surely other countries outside the United States are also oppressive, but does not excuse America from her crimes and her spreading of immorality aka "American Exceptionalism" onto their land. Not everyone wants to be an American.

Posted: **Tue May 20, 2014 7:46 pm**

dratsab wrote:"I'm also an American, yet see no better or worse, only different."

So, Saudi Arabia vs Sweden, neither country is better just different? Child rapist VS hero, neither one is better just different? Any moral choice is just subjective? No objective standards of quality?

"Give me a break. You are all brainwashed from a young age to worship a piece of rag. I think that accounts for your collective National insanity. I'm sure there must be some quietly spoken, modest Americans, probably about .01 per cent of the population.Then there's the obsession with guns, the constant meddling in other countries, the need to be bullying at least one country at any given time 'in the interests of protecting AMERICAN lives (because they are the most important) and National security'. It's not the rest of the world's fault you give such a bad impression."

Lolz, for you to talk of modesty is funny, since you spout hateful rage and think your opinion is better than anyone else's. Don't get me wrong, I think my opinion is better than other people's too, but I'm not a hypocrite about it. Also, my opinion really is better than yours, objectively, so there's that. Enjoy your tribal nature worship though... while conversing on the internet.

Oh for god sake any more of that making sense shit and I am going to call foul.

"You'll never have a peaceful world until you knock the patriotism out of it."

George Bernard Shaw.

Posted: **Tue May 20, 2014 8:17 pm**

Blaggard wrote:
dratsab wrote:"I'm also an American, yet see no better or worse, only different."

So, Saudi Arabia vs Sweden, neither country is better just different? Child rapist VS hero, neither one is better just different? Any moral choice is just subjective? No objective standards of quality?

"Give me a break. You are all brainwashed from a young age to worship a piece of rag. I think that accounts for your collective National insanity. I'm sure there must be some quietly spoken, modest Americans, probably about .01 per cent of the population.Then there's the obsession with guns, the constant meddling in other countries, the need to be bullying at least one country at any given time 'in the interests of protecting AMERICAN lives (because they are the most important) and National security'. It's not the rest of the world's fault you give such a bad impression."

Lolz, for you to talk of modesty is funny, since you spout hateful rage and think your opinion is better than anyone else's. Don't get me wrong, I think my opinion is better than other people's too, but I'm not a hypocrite about it. Also, my opinion really is better than yours, objectively, so there's that. Enjoy your tribal nature worship though... while conversing on the internet.

Oh for god sake any more of that making sense shit and I am going to call foul.

"You'll never have a peaceful world until you knock the patriotism out of it."

George Bernard Shaw.

There are several different posters in that quote box. Which one are you referring to?

Posted: **Tue May 20, 2014 8:19 pm**

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Samuel Johnson

“Patriotism is, fundamentally, a conviction that a particular country is the best in the world because you were born in it....” George Bernard Shaw

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