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God Allah The spirit of the 'native' indians..
maybe 'the first cause' was 'an accident', what does it matter?

this world is heaven and hell, this life is, and if we get our heads together, and stop being ignorant fools, it can be more heaven than hell, for most and all.
maybe we will go to another place after this life, who am i to say, it is either true or not?

Perceiving exists. wrote: Ok, unenlightened one , let us debate, listen to my words, and disagree until you cannot disagree with yourself anymore..
i will read yours too, and will do the same.

you are nor wrong nor left nor right or in between, in my opinion, like we all only hold our opinion and i nor like or dislike you, as the person you are and the better half you can be of yourself. You disliking me, because of what my words say to your brain, is not my problem, but only you make it your problem.

I like, no wait, leme rephrase that, i LOVE people like you, telling others they are WRONG WRONG WRONG!!
BUT YOU ARE RIGHT?!?
question and answers, they talk and listen dont they not? but what do those know, who shout the truth?

people like YOU even put my patience to the test. people like YOU are whats wrong with your society, always they know it all, and yes you know NOTHING yet you are scared to doubt those things you hold yourself to be true.
maybe there is a 'God', maybe not, but its scary when you think about both possibilities, and let me guess, you KNOW there cannot be a God, because this world is not as you would like to see it, or as you would make it if you were God? no no no, try again.

You are an ignorant fanatic and extremist, which is no good combination! always wanting to complain about others, because you are unhappy with yourself.

The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
Bertrand Russell

Stop being a whiny little bitch, en get ur head out of ur state..


hey btw you wrote; I just try to be honest, but will avoid hurting others.
maybe start with being honest to yourself? dont do it because i tell you to, do it because you cannot deny its importance
See what you find, and good luck with it!

Yep, I was right about you.

I am being honest because I see the world as is is, not the way I would like it to be. Most people do not see what is in front of them, you almost have to rap them good to get them to look.

Yes I said I will avoid hurting others, the exception being when it's for their own good, and you certainly qualify for that. And NO I do not claim to know what is best for everyone, just a few obvious examples.

Blaggard wrote: Well admitting you are stupid is no bad thing, seeing humanity as it is, is also no bad thing. That said though I still think we should kill all humans, it was a failed experiment.

I don't think the experiment has completely failed, , yet. Humanity is certainly on a down turn but that could change if the meddling do-good'rs would keep their noses out of other peoples business. So far when organized humanity has tried to improve something, it ends up being worse than it started.

thedoc wrote:Yep, I was right about you.

I am being honest because I see the world as is is, not the way I would like it to be. Most people do not see what is in front of them, you almost have to rap them good to get them to look.

Yes I said I will avoid hurting others, the exception being when it's for their own good, and you certainly qualify for that. And NO I do not claim to know what is best for everyone, just a few obvious examples.

yes you are right im thankfull for you showing me the light, just make sure you follow it too yeah?

considering rapping, i assume you call it music yeah? its not my favorite genre, but how can i tell you its wrong, the song that makes you sing and dance?
anyway give the songs and lyrics a listen..
queen - bohemian rhapsody
beatles - strawberry fields
lennon - imagine
theres a lot more, but these song tell one what one cannot deny [/b]
gime song good songs too if you want to
always appreciate it!


on a short note, id like to add, maybe, you perhaps would like to look at ALL the world, not just a part of it when saying;

thedoc wrote:I don't think the experiment has completely failed, , yet. Humanity is certainly on a down turn but that could change if the meddling do-good'rs would keep their noses out of other peoples business.

better rephrase to; i think the experiment hasn't completely failed yet? its the small things that can make a difference..

the only problem in the whole wide world is people minding others..? interesting, i will think about it

i think the know-it-alls need to doubt a bit more, like i quoted before;

The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
Bertrand Russell

thedoc wrote:"Yes I said I will avoid hurting others, the exception being when it's for their own good, and you certainly qualify for that "

dont you think this very contradictory to your own words,

thedoc wrote:"sticking your nose in where it doesn't belong is just another perversion or sickness that afflicts some people who justify it by claiming to be doing good for others."
" Others may have different needs and desires, and not everyone wants or feels the same way. It's the meddling busybody who thinks everyone is the same and wants the same thing"

dont we all whats good for us, no? and no worries, you did not even come close to hurting me..

ow and finally;

thedoc wrote: "I see the world as is is, not the way I would like it to be."

i try to do both and see whats missing where, why and how this can be changed

thinking and asking busy body away

Perceiving exists. wrote:

thedoc wrote:Yep, I was right about you.

I am being honest because I see the world as is is, not the way I would like it to be. Most people do not see what is in front of them, you almost have to rap them good to get them to look.

Yes I said I will avoid hurting others, the exception being when it's for their own good, and you certainly qualify for that. And NO I do not claim to know what is best for everyone, just a few obvious examples.

yes you are right im thankfull for you showing me the light, just make sure you follow it too yeah?

on a short note, id like to add, maybe, you perhaps would like to look at ALL the world, not just a part of it when saying;

Yes but I can only see a small part of the world, or am I supposed to accept what the Media tells me, or what others, who have their own agenda, try to tell me, especially when both of them contradict what I see in front of me.

thedoc wrote:Yes but I can only see a small part of the world, or am I supposed to accept what the Media tells me, or what others, who have their own agenda, try to tell me, especially when both of them contradict what I see in front of me.

a little while ago, someone asked me;
tell me something interesting to look up on the internet.
i replied, look for contradictions.

indeed the media does not tell the truth, and they are very good at deceiving one, and thats where they make the mistake.
from what do they try to deceive you, and more important why?

do not ignore them, for every lie holds some truth.
listen to others, tell them your opinion, and see where you agree and disagree, and maybe why?

have a look on the net, with the knowledge you hold, and maybe find some fortunate people who try to help the unfortunate people and beings/situations, and let them know you value what they do. dont tell me you dont make a difference, for you are one and one makes the difference
tell them who you meet about this, and dont close your eyes or look away from what is in front of you, may it only be something deceptive, like i said, just think about it, and doubt it

life can be a blessing, and those who are blessed, im glad for them, but others are so unfortunate, i find it unfair, but must i care? no. do i care? yes.
the wars, the suffering, the unjustice, they are not made up completely.
the reason why the fighting is and continues, might be the biggest deception of em all tho?

Those who want power, should not have it, because they will use it to their own ends, and not to help others.
Those who do not want power, should have it, because they would use it to help others.
How do we resolve this conflict between those who want power and find ways to get it, and those who do not want them to have it.
How do we convince those who are really qualified to have power to make the sacrifice to give up their privacy, (which is often the case), and wield the power wisely.
So far I have not seen much evidence of the later in this world, and too much of the former. The world is full of bullies.

Its nice to see, our disagreement has taken a turn for the better of the discussion. sorry if i came across harsh at some point.

thedoc wrote: How do we convince those who are really qualified to have power to make the sacrifice to give up their privacy, (which is often the case), and wield the power wisely.
So far I have not seen much evidence of the later in this world, and too much of the former. The world is full of bullies.

The world is full of bullies, i cannot disagree with you on that, but did you ever wonder, why the bullies in pre n high school bullied in the first place? Often it is, because they want to neglect something, something confronting, something scary, perhaps something about their selves? I assume, you already start to see the correlation between the little bullies and the big bullies? This life, and death for that matter, goes hand in hand with a lot of uncertainties, and money/power can buy ignorance and 'piece of mind' far away from those confronting thoughts, but dont you agree, we should look at these things, for the better of ourselves and those around us? Of course, like i said before, it is the balance between thinking and doing, tears of joy and laughter and tears of sadness and acceptance, good and better, and so on, but nothing should be in its completeness wrong, meaning a lot of suffering for the better of one, or do you say otherwise? I do not believe so;

thedoc wrote:Those who want power, should not have it, because they will use it to their own ends, and not to help others.
Those who do not want power, should have it, because they would use it to help others.

I must try to keep this short, else i be writing a book, and it is Sunday morning, just past 5, breakfast is kind to me and you are right. For the most part, those who hold the power, achieved such power, because first of all, they are not stupid, and second, it is something they desire more than most other things. And why, do they desire this power so bad, do you think, why, do hey use it to their own ends, instead of helping others?
I would be lying if i said, i do not want that power, but i would be lying too, if i said, i do want the power. First of all, besides the fact im a daydreamer ^^, i do not know how such power would change me, for the better or the worse, like money can change one in unthinkable ways. Second, i do want to have it, only to make this place a better world for all, and thats why i even wish harder, i did not want it in the first place.

The wind, she whispers kindly to me, define the thin line in between the middle, if you understand? I think their should be 'one united kingdom' rather than the united states, being a ruler and guide to all. All countries/nations get to keep their leaders and what not, but this one united kingdom will keep an watching eye over them all, and provide the right advice, sharing all with the every day people. It will be people like you describe yourself, those who do not want the power, but who are really qualified and are willing to sacrifice their privacy, just to wield this power wisely, for the better of others before themselves?

thedoc wrote:How do we resolve this conflict between those who want power and find ways to get it, and those who do not want them to have it.

In all this world, their are already so many bad things to find, i want to share with you, i really like the U.N. for all her reasons. They should be given more power, the could be the start of such kingdom of united nations, or how ever you would like to call it.

Like i said before, im a daydreamer, but i will make a website and provoke people to think outside their comfort-zone, making them admit what they cannot deny. I will, perhaps all in vain, contact the U.N. and the like, for the better use of those ideas, even though they are just meaningless words i find, for what ever reason, in my mind, i do enjoy the thought of it.

God is wishful thinking? But is no God not wishful thinking too?

Life's not meant for one. Imagine gazing up the sky, billions of stars and billions of light years at the speed of light only to find darkness? No, life is not meant for one, for the answer is 4 2 !
Life's meant for caring and sharing, and thus share if you care, and care if you share.

Share your thoughts with me, you too, for i cannot see both sides of the coin at the same time, just on my own.

I will not ask you, or anyone else, to follow me, if you do not disagree. I will not ask you, to lead me if you disagree, but i will ask you, and only if you do agree; walk beside me, towards better times.

Perceiving exists. wrote: I will not ask you, or anyone else, to follow me, if you do not disagree. I will not ask you, to lead me if you disagree, but i will ask you, and only if you do agree; walk beside me, towards better times.

I've heard that before, but differently.

"Don't walk in front of me, I might not follow,"
"Don't walk behind me, I might not lead,"
"Just walk beside me, and be my friend."

Perceiving exists. wrote: The world is full of bullies,

I've had a bad experience with a bully, and now I tend to keep my head down.

Perceiving exists. wrote: I would be lying if i said, i do not want that power, but i would be lying too, if i said, i do want the power. First of all, besides the fact im a daydreamer ^^, i do not know how such power would change me, for the better or the worse, like money can change one in unthinkable ways. Second, i do want to have it, only to make this place a better world for all, and thats why i even wish harder, i did not want it in the first place.

I daydream too, but sometimes I wonder just how horrible I would be, if I had the power I daydream of. Do I have the self control to not abuse it?

I read somewhere that kindness is one of the signs of great power?

Perceiving exists. wrote: Imagine gazing up the sky, billions of stars and billions of light years at the speed of light only to find darkness?

This reminds me of a line from a movie I like.

"I hope that when you stand beside Lake Michigan, you still feel small, and understand that there is something much greater than yourself."

thedoc wrote:

Perceiving exists. wrote: I will not ask you, or anyone else, to follow me, if you do not disagree. I will not ask you, to lead me if you disagree, but i will ask you, and only if you do agree; walk beside me, towards better times.

I've heard that before, but differently.

"Don't walk in front of me, I might not follow,"
"Don't walk behind me, I might not lead,"
"Just walk beside me, and be my friend."

I might not change the world, but i hope i gave you something positive.
No one can tell me, it doesn't mean anything

thedoc wrote:

Perceiving exists. wrote: I will not ask you, or anyone else, to follow me, if you do not disagree. I will not ask you, to lead me if you disagree, but i will ask you, and only if you do agree; walk beside me, towards better times.

I've heard that before, but differently.

"Don't walk in front of me, I might not follow,"
"Don't walk behind me, I might not lead,"
"Just walk beside me, and be my friend."

Albert Camus said that I forget when and in which context, A staunch atheist but a moral rock.

Blaggard wrote:

thedoc wrote:

Perceiving exists. wrote: I will not ask you, or anyone else, to follow me, if you do not disagree. I will not ask you, to lead me if you disagree, but i will ask you, and only if you do agree; walk beside me, towards better times.

I've heard that before, but differently.

"Don't walk in front of me, I might not follow,"
"Don't walk behind me, I might not lead,"
"Just walk beside me, and be my friend."

Albert Camus said that I forget when and in which context, A staunch atheist but a moral rock.

atheists dont exist, nor do theists.
they all are (stubborn) agnostics, till they die.

get over it