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Skip wrote:Aside from the spelling, he has trouble with people thinking about what they eat, how their food is procured, why they make the decisions they make and how those decisions affect them and their environment.
Cavemen didn't think about it, they just ate anything they could outrun... therefore, thinking about food is hysteria.
(Which is very bad news for gourmet cooks and nutritionists.)

You don't know what you are talking about, tragicly.

There are in these modern times animals who are brought up in a very ethical and moral manner, thereby nullyfying your claim about people having trouble with animals ethics.

Some renewed interest is apparent for this topic, so, time to bounce to top of active list again.

HexHammer wrote:You don't know what you are talking about, tragicly.

There are in these modern times animals who are brought up in a very ethical and moral manner, thereby nullyfying your claim about people having trouble with animals ethics.

What percent of all food animals, world-wide, have been brought up in which ethical manner and how despatched? Poland is still fighting over its decision to ban kosher killing; America, by and large, doesn't give a damn. There may well be good organic farms and humane methods of butchery, but it's very small scale and high cost, known and available only to a few discerning middle class consumers. Feedlots and laying cages, pig pens and slaughter houses are never shown in the food ads - with good reason. You'd need to make a great deal of progress in factory farming to nullify my claim.

And that doesn't even touch the issue of human workers in the factory-farm environment, and in the meat processing industries. It doesn't touch the problem of forcing people in poor countries to raise cattle or lamb for export to rich countries instead of growing food for their own families. Nor does it address the land and water use and deforestation issues; contaminating effluent, methane in the air, the energy used in packing, shipping and storing of meat.

None of those ethical issues have gone away - tragically - in fact, they're increasing right along with the human population.

Skip wrote: they're increasing right along with the human population.

And there you have finally touched on the real problem, there are just too many people.

Skip wrote:

HexHammer wrote:You don't know what you are talking about, tragicly.

There are in these modern times animals who are brought up in a very ethical and moral manner, thereby nullyfying your claim about people having trouble with animals ethics.

What percent of all food animals, world-wide, have been brought up in which ethical manner and how despatched? Poland is still fighting over its decision to ban kosher killing; America, by and large, doesn't give a damn. There may well be good organic farms and humane methods of butchery, but it's very small scale and high cost, known and available only to a few discerning middle class consumers. Feedlots and laying cages, pig pens and slaughter houses are never shown in the food ads - with good reason. You'd need to make a great deal of progress in factory farming to nullify my claim.

And that doesn't even touch the issue of human workers in the factory-farm environment, and in the meat processing industries. It doesn't touch the problem of forcing people in poor countries to raise cattle or lamb for export to rich countries instead of growing food for their own families. Nor does it address the land and water use and deforestation issues; contaminating effluent, methane in the air, the energy used in packing, shipping and storing of meat.

None of those ethical issues have gone away - tragically - in fact, they're increasing right along with the human population.

Yes? ..so?

thedoc wrote:

Skip wrote: they're increasing right along with the human population.

And there you have finally touched on the real problem, there are just too many people.

Obviously. First, kill all the priests. Then let all the women have whatever form of birth control works best for them (and get all those carnivorous pets neutered!) Then melt down all the weapons and make something useful, like solar panels, greenhouse struts and bicycles. Then get busy on the vertical hydroponics, stem-cell burgers, lentil paste... and soylent green, if they're still hungry.