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Perspective wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 9:22 pm

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 6:21 pm

Perspective wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 6:10 pm#
Homosexuality is not present at birth & is learned behavior.

Prove it. My reading of the research leads me to believe homosexuality is determined in the womb, not after.

You want me to prove to you that newborn babies don’t engage in homosexual behavior?

Alright, that non response tells me everything I need to know. You're just making shit up lol.

Perspective wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2025 9:57 pm Statistically, homosexuality is harmful - STDs, AIDS/HIV, mental illness, drug use etc. Laws (ie redefining marriage) should not encourage behavior known to be harmful.

And, society has a vested interest in unions which produce more society. Obviously not all man/woman marriages produce children. But children can only come from the union of a man & a woman. So this is why marriage between a man and a woman has served the purpose to help society (especially children).

How are you using the 'marriage' word, here, exactly?

Children coming from the union of a man and a woman has absolutely nothing at all to do with 'marriage' or not.

Also, creating children in and of itself has served absolutely nothing in regards to helping society. Creating children, itself, just helps in keeping a species alive, and surviving. How a society is, exactly, depends on how children are raised, and not about if children are being created or not.

Perspective wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2025 9:57 pm What benefit is it to society to honor harmful behavior between 2 people who engage in disordered imitations of sex?

What is the, actual, 'harmful behavior' between two people, which you speak of and talk about, here?

And, why is 'that behavior', supposedly, 'harmful', exactly?

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2025 10:34 pm 2 reasons:

Freedom, obviously, matters. A government telling you they don't want you having sex with women because they've determined it's not healthy enough probably wouldn't please you very much. You expect gay people to just accept it? Would YOU accept it?

The second thing is, being homosexual is not like this choice you can just turn on and off. Gay guys can't just wake up one day and decide to be attracted to women.

LOL you speak like 'mis/behavior' is some thing that you human beings are born with.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2025 10:34 pm Prohibition of homosexuality, as far as I can tell, does far more harm than would be prevented by making it illegal. Sure, maybe there's less aids, but now there's a lot more people miserable in their lives because they have to pretend to be straight, or just be alone all their lives.

Why do you human beings HAVE TO 'pretend', in Life.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2025 10:34 pm If you had to choose between a risk of aids, vs perpetual loneliness and dissatisfaction, would you really choose the loneliness? And you would force that choice also on all the gay people in the world, instead of giving them the freedom to choose for themselves?

LOL 'gay people'.

Perspective wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 9:23 pm

ThinkOfOne wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 8:18 pm

Perspective wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 6:10 pm The APA defined [homosexuality] as a disorder.

…these mainstream organizations long ago abandoned classifications of homosexuality as a mental disorder.

The American Psychological Association originally defined homosexuality as a disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders-II (DSM-II)...

And revised that definition after gaining a much better understanding as explained in what I quoted in the previous post.

Is homosexuality a mental disorder?
No, lesbian, gay, and bisexual orientations are not disorders. Research has found no inherent association between any of these sexual orientations and psychopathology. Both heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Both have been documented in many different cultures and historical eras. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. Lesbian, gay, and bisexual relationships are normal forms of human bonding. Therefore, these mainstream organizations long ago abandoned classifications of homosexuality as a mental disorder.

From <https://www.apa.org/topics/lgbtq/orientation>

What part of the above don't you understand?

Face it. You're bigot who cites bigotry in an attempt to justify your ridiculously ludicrous position.

accelafine wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2025 12:04 am The biggest question is why they even want to. What a waste of time and money. Might as well just marry yourself. Far less complicated and the divorce is a lot less messy. Marriage has always been a contract between outside interests and about ownership of women-- hence the 'giving away' of the bride.

LOL
LOL
LOL

'always'.

Once again, what this one Truly BELIEVES is ABSOLUTELY CLEAR, here.

Perspective wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 6:10 pm

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Feb 27, 2025 10:34 pm 2 reasons:

Freedom, obviously, matters. A government telling you they don't want you having sex with women because they've determined it's not healthy enough probably wouldn't please you very much. You expect gay people to just accept it? Would YOU accept it?

The second thing is, being homosexual is not like this choice you can just turn on and off. Gay guys can't just wake up one day and decide to be attracted to women.

Prohibition of homosexuality, as far as I can tell, does far more harm than would be prevented by making it illegal. Sure, maybe there's less aids, but now there's a lot more people miserable in their lives because they have to pretend to be straight, or just be alone all their lives. If you had to choose between a risk of aids, vs perpetual loneliness and dissatisfaction, would you really choose the loneliness? And you would force that choice also on all the gay people in the world, instead of giving them the freedom to choose for themselves?

Sorry, I missed some posts until now.

Government is not telling anyone to have it not have certain sexual fetishes etc. Where did you get that idea - trying to distract (red herring)?

Homosexuality is not present at birth & is learned behavior. The APA defined it as a disorder.

What is 'APA', exactly?

Perspective wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 6:10 pm The natural order is a man and a woman - which produced each of us.

Why did you need to inform us of some 'APA's' 'definition', if, and when, the word 'disorder' is just in relation to what is the 'natural order' of things?

Do you think or believe that human beings do not already know what the 'natural order' of things are, and that human beings need to be told and informed of what is 'a disorder' in relation to what is 'the natural order' of things?

Perspective wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 6:10 pm Research shows that homosexuality tends to develop after sexual abuse in childhood.

LOL Just like 'heterosexuality', and may well any of the other sexual kinks or variants, can develop after sexual abuse in childhood.

Perspective wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 6:10 pm Men who develop homo preferences have also been known to have lacked a good father

Wow, now there is a good term, 'What is a 'good father', exactly?'

Perspective wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 6:10 pm - their father may have been absent or passive along with a smothering mother.

And, what is a 'smother mother', exactly?

Also, did you have a 'smother mother'?

If no, then are you absolutely sure?

Obviously 'your mother' was 'smothering' far, far, far more than other mothers were/are.

Also, was 'your father' ALWAYS present and active?

Married people in the U.S. get several unfair advantages. Often, for example, they get spousal health insurance, which means they are paid $7k or more extra per year compared to single people. These benefits have often been negotiated by unions; living together won't qualify.

Of course in most countries with a decent national health care system, this would be irrelevant.

As far as whether homosexuality is innate, I don't see the relevance to its legality or morality. Who cares? Would it make a difference to the moral or legal status of pedophilia?

Finally, "gay marriage" is, I think, an irrelevant term. We need not concern ourselves with the sex lives of consenting adults. I prefer "same sex marriage", to which I have no objection other than the unfair financial advantages I mentioned.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 6:21 pm

Perspective wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 6:10 pm#
Homosexuality is not present at birth & is learned behavior.

Prove it.

The word 'homosexuality' refers to the sexual behavior between two human bodies with the same sexual organs.

Now, within ALL human bodies at birth, or for a number of years after birth, there are NO thoughts of 'sexuality' nor of who one wants to have sex with.

ANY CHOICE of who one WANTS TO HAVE sex WITH exists IN 'thought', ONLY.

Any thought of wanting to have sex with one of the same sexuality, only, with one with opposite sexual organs, only, or with one with both sexual organs, happens ONLY AFTER having, FIRST, 'experienced things'.

The 'thought', itself, of 'being homo, hetero, or bi sexual' arise ONLY AFTER 'past experiences'.
EVERY 'past experience' is A LEARNING experience, in one way, shape, or form.
Human beings are NOT born 'with thoughts', or if they are, then it was only a very short period of time before that there were NO thoughts, existing, AT ALL.
Therefore, ANY and EVERY 'thought' arises ONLY AFTER 'past experiences'.

EVERY 'experience', in Life, or after birth, can be, or IS, 'FORMING'.
EVERY 'experience' can be, or DOES, 'inform' A 'thought'.
There is NO 'thought', which just arose on its very own from nothing at all, previously.
Even EVERY 'brand new thought' HAS TO come from at least two other prior thoughts', which ALL OF came from 'past experiences', in one way or another.
Therefore, EVERY 'thought' comes from 'past experiences'.

EVERY 'action' and/or 'reaction' is NOT A 'behavior' NOR 'misbehavior'.
Human bodies can 'react' BEFORE a 'thought' arises.
However, EVERY 'behavior' and 'misbehavior' comes from A 'thought'.
If there are ANY 'mis/behavior' that can happen and occur WITHOUT A 'thought', itself, first arising, then EXPRESS what 'they' are, exactly. Until then,
If ANY ones says or claims, 'I am a homosexual', 'I am a heterosexual', or, 'I am a bisexual', then all of these are just 'thoughts', alone.
And, because EVERY 'thought' comes FROM A 'past experience', then it can be said and argued that EVERY 'thought' is LEARNED, along the way.
Now, because EVERY 'mis/behavior' comes FROM A 'thought', which ALL OF were LEARNED, then EVERY 'mis/behavior' is ALSO LEARNED.

'Homosexuality', in the form of 'behavior' or in the form of 'thought' is NOT present at birth, OBVIOUSLY.
'Homosexuality', in both forms 'behavior' AND 'thought', arise and/or came to exist, after birth, and thus 'along the way'.
Therefore, 'homosexuality' IS A 'learned behavior', and NOT what human beings are 'born with' or 'as', as some people have LEARNED TO BELIEVE is true.

The above is PROOF in PARTIAL ARGUMENTATIVE FORM.

Now, for INDIVIDUAL IRREFUTABLE PROOF, then EVERY one just HAS TO, and NEEDS TO, 'LOOK BACK' at their OWN 'past experiences', and FROM the Truly OPEN and Honest perspective, ONLY.

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 6:21 pm My reading of the research leads me to believe homosexuality is determined in the womb, not after.

Will you link us to your readings?

If no, then why not?

Perspective wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 9:23 pm

ThinkOfOne wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 8:18 pm

Perspective wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 6:10 pm The APA defined [homosexuality] as a disorder.

…these mainstream organizations long ago abandoned classifications of homosexuality as a mental disorder.

The American Psychological Association originally defined homosexuality as a disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders-II (DSM-II), then, was harassed into changing the definition.

'Current' 'medical or professional associations' also originally defined some people are witches, and being a witch is a disorder, AS WELL. Until those 'expert associations' were 'harassed into changing 'their definitions', ALSO.

Perspective wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 9:23 pm
"Led by radicals like Franklin Kameny, pro-sodomy activists attacked psychiatrists across America, as Newsweek describes: “But even more than the government, it is the psychiatrists who have experienced the full rage of the homosexual activists. Over the past two years, gay-lib organizations have repeatedly disrupted medical meetings, and three months ago—in the movements most aggressive demonstration so far—a group of 30 militants broke into a meeting of the American Psychiatric Association in Washington, where they turned the staid proceedings into near chaos..."
https://www.scribd.com/doc/123568250/The-Born-Gay-Hoax

So, the definition of homosexuality was changed from being a disorder to being normalized, not because of scientific research, but as a political move by harassing homosexual lobbyists.

The truth found in undeniable statistics is that actions based on homosexual practice make it a disorder (state of confusion) and even one that causes suffering by such confusion:

• 1. Homosexuality is not ever truly sex but involves fetishes, because sex involves the sexual organs of each, and homosexuality must resort to subsitutes... fetishes. (Fetish: any object or nongenital part of the body that causes a habitual erotic response or fixation. ) Anal sex is such a fetish. Some fetishes cause no harm, but anal sex can cause anal fissures, anal cancer, colon rupture and bacterial infections.
  
  2. According to the United States Center for Disease Control (US CDC), those with homosexual practices are many times more likely to contract STDs than heterosexuals.
  https://www.cdc.gov/msmhealth/STD.htm
  
  3. According to the United States Center for Disease Control (US CDC), those with homosexual practices are many times more likely to contract AIDS than heterosexuals.‪ ‬
  https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/index.html
  
  4. Also According to the United States Center for Disease Control (US CDC), those who engage in homosexual practices are more likely to have mental illness. Research also has found that, compared to other men, MSM are at increased risk of: Major depression during adolescence and adulthood; Bipolar disorder; and Generalized anxiety disorder during adolescence and adulthood. MSM are also at greater risk for other health threats that often occur in conjunction with mental health problems (i.e., co-morbidities). These include greater use of illegal drugs and a greater risk for suicide.
  
  5. Most babies are born healthy, without disorders, including without homosexual preferences. At birth, our brains are only 25% developed. This makes us less intelligent at birth than many other mamals, however it ends up in our best interest because along with more caregiving support, we are better able to adapt to environmental influences. Under various circumstances, some such adaptations result in the development of homosexual preferences. There is no such thing as a gay gene - as mentioned in the first link above.
  
  Evidence shows that the development of homosexual practices are more linked to environmental influences than to biology. Science does not support the claim that homosexuality is genetic.. Even Homosexual Researchers Debunk ‘Born Gay’ Urban Legend http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/724179/posts
  
  "1. No research has found provable biological or genetic differences between heterosexuals & homosexuals that weren't caused by their behavior. 2. In 2 large studies conducted... Homosexuals overwhelmingly believed their feelings and behavior were the result of social or environmental influences. (Note that the focus of homosexual fetishes is limited to select countries, globally.) 3. Older homosexuals often approach the young 4. Early homosexual experiences influence adult patterns of behavior 5. Sexual conduct is influenced by cultural factors - esp. religious convictions 6. Many change their sexual preferences 7. There are many ex-homosexuals"

The homosexual herd is trying to push its way into the public - to make this disorder that statistically proves to be harmful, be accepted. Don't fall for it. Love people, not harmful behavior. IT IS CRUEL TO ENCOURAGE BEHAVIOR KNOWN TO BE HARMFUL.

What is HARMFUL, EXACTLY, in two human beings, with the same sexual organs, kissing each other?

Perspective wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 9:23 pm

• "Tolerance applies to persons, but never to truth. Intolerance applies to truth, but never to persons. Tolerance applies to the erring; intolerance to the error." -F. Sheen

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 10:18 pm

Perspective wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 9:22 pm

Flannel Jesus wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 6:21 pm

Prove it. My reading of the research leads me to believe homosexuality is determined in the womb, not after.

You want me to prove to you that newborn babies don’t engage in homosexual behavior?

Alright, that non response tells me everything I need to know. You're just making shit up lol.

OBVIOUSLY, 'this one' does NOT WANT TO just 'think ABOUT' what was SAID, and HIGHLIGHTED, here.

Alexiev wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 12:45 am Married people in the U.S. get several unfair advantages. Often, for example, they get spousal health insurance, which means they are paid $7k or more extra per year compared to single people. These benefits have often been negotiated by unions; living together won't qualify.

Of course in most countries with a decent national health care system, this would be irrelevant.

As far as whether homosexuality is innate, I don't see the relevance to its legality or morality.

What even is 'morality', to you, if 'morality', itself, is NOT relevant to what is 'natural' or 'innate' within 'human beings', and thus 'Life', Itself?

Alexiev wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 12:45 am Who cares?

Obviously those who speak and/or write about 'it'.

Alexiev wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 12:45 am Would it make a difference to the moral or legal status of pedophilia?

Some might 'now' ASK, 'Who cares?' What has 'pedophilia' got to do with 'homosexuality'? Some might even say and claim that they do not see the relevance, as well.

What do you mean by the 'moral status' of 'pedophilia'?

And, for 'those' who think or BELIEVE that 'homosexuality', 'heterosexuality', and/or 'bisexuality' IS what you human beings are BORN WITH, then do 'those' also think or BELIEVE that 'pedophilia' is some thing, which human beings are BORN WITH, AS WELL?

If yes, or no, then WHY, or WHY NOT, EXACTLY?

Alexiev wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 12:45 am Finally, "gay marriage" is, I think, an irrelevant term.

is, you think, an 'irrelevant term' in relation to 'what', EXACTLY?

Alexiev wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 12:45 am We need not concern ourselves with the sex lives of consenting adults.

YET, here, you ARE concerning "yourself", with 'others', with and about the sex live of consenting adults.

Alexiev wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 12:45 am I prefer "same sex marriage",

Okay.

So, "alexiev" has EXPRESSED its CONCERN with and about the USE of the term 'gay marriage', and its PREFERS ALL people USE the term 'same sex marriage', INSTEAD.

Now, 'we' can go BACK TO, 'Who cares?'

Alexiev wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 12:45 am to which I have no objection other than the unfair financial advantages I mentioned.

Okay.

Age wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 12:54 am

Perspective wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 9:23 pm

ThinkOfOne wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 8:18 pm …these mainstream organizations long ago abandoned classifications of homosexuality as a mental disorder.

The American Psychological Association originally defined homosexuality as a disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders-II (DSM-II), then, was harassed into changing the definition.

'Current' 'medical or professional associations' also originally defined some people are witches, and being a witch is a disorder, AS WELL. Until those 'expert associations' were 'harassed into changing 'their definitions', ALSO.

Perspective wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 9:23 pm
"Led by radicals like Franklin Kameny, pro-sodomy activists attacked psychiatrists across America, as Newsweek describes: “But even more than the government, it is the psychiatrists who have experienced the full rage of the homosexual activists. Over the past two years, gay-lib organizations have repeatedly disrupted medical meetings, and three months ago—in the movements most aggressive demonstration so far—a group of 30 militants broke into a meeting of the American Psychiatric Association in Washington, where they turned the staid proceedings into near chaos..."
https://www.scribd.com/doc/123568250/The-Born-Gay-Hoax

So, the definition of homosexuality was changed from being a disorder to being normalized, not because of scientific research, but as a political move by harassing homosexual lobbyists.

The truth found in undeniable statistics is that actions based on homosexual practice make it a disorder (state of confusion) and even one that causes suffering by such confusion:

• 1. Homosexuality is not ever truly sex but involves fetishes, because sex involves the sexual organs of each, and homosexuality must resort to subsitutes... fetishes. (Fetish: any object or nongenital part of the body that causes a habitual erotic response or fixation. ) Anal sex is such a fetish. Some fetishes cause no harm, but anal sex can cause anal fissures, anal cancer, colon rupture and bacterial infections.
  
  2. According to the United States Center for Disease Control (US CDC), those with homosexual practices are many times more likely to contract STDs than heterosexuals.
  https://www.cdc.gov/msmhealth/STD.htm
  
  3. According to the United States Center for Disease Control (US CDC), those with homosexual practices are many times more likely to contract AIDS than heterosexuals.‪ ‬
  https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/index.html
  
  4. Also According to the United States Center for Disease Control (US CDC), those who engage in homosexual practices are more likely to have mental illness. Research also has found that, compared to other men, MSM are at increased risk of: Major depression during adolescence and adulthood; Bipolar disorder; and Generalized anxiety disorder during adolescence and adulthood. MSM are also at greater risk for other health threats that often occur in conjunction with mental health problems (i.e., co-morbidities). These include greater use of illegal drugs and a greater risk for suicide.
  
  5. Most babies are born healthy, without disorders, including without homosexual preferences. At birth, our brains are only 25% developed. This makes us less intelligent at birth than many other mamals, however it ends up in our best interest because along with more caregiving support, we are better able to adapt to environmental influences. Under various circumstances, some such adaptations result in the development of homosexual preferences. There is no such thing as a gay gene - as mentioned in the first link above.
  
  Evidence shows that the development of homosexual practices are more linked to environmental influences than to biology. Science does not support the claim that homosexuality is genetic.. Even Homosexual Researchers Debunk ‘Born Gay’ Urban Legend http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/724179/posts
  
  "1. No research has found provable biological or genetic differences between heterosexuals & homosexuals that weren't caused by their behavior. 2. In 2 large studies conducted... Homosexuals overwhelmingly believed their feelings and behavior were the result of social or environmental influences. (Note that the focus of homosexual fetishes is limited to select countries, globally.) 3. Older homosexuals often approach the young 4. Early homosexual experiences influence adult patterns of behavior 5. Sexual conduct is influenced by cultural factors - esp. religious convictions 6. Many change their sexual preferences 7. There are many ex-homosexuals"

The homosexual herd is trying to push its way into the public - to make this disorder that statistically proves to be harmful, be accepted. Don't fall for it. Love people, not harmful behavior. IT IS CRUEL TO ENCOURAGE BEHAVIOR KNOWN TO BE HARMFUL.

What is HARMFUL, EXACTLY, in two human beings, with the same sexual organs, kissing each other?

Perspective wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 9:23 pm

• "Tolerance applies to persons, but never to truth. Intolerance applies to truth, but never to persons. Tolerance applies to the erring; intolerance to the error." -F. Sheen

Asking that proves you didn’t read what I posted above. And you can look it up for yourself if you’re really interested in facts, not just confirmation bias.

ThinkOfOne wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 11:24 pm

Perspective wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 9:23 pm

ThinkOfOne wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 8:18 pm …these mainstream organizations long ago abandoned classifications of homosexuality as a mental disorder.

The American Psychological Association originally defined homosexuality as a disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders-II (DSM-II)...

And revised that definition after gaining a much better understanding as explained in what I quoted in the previous post.

Is homosexuality a mental disorder?
No, lesbian, gay, and bisexual orientations are not disorders. Research has found no inherent association between any of these sexual orientations and psychopathology. Both heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality. Both have been documented in many different cultures and historical eras. Despite the persistence of stereotypes that portray lesbian, gay, and bisexual people as disturbed, several decades of research and clinical experience have led all mainstream medical and mental health organizations in this country to conclude that these orientations represent normal forms of human experience. Lesbian, gay, and bisexual relationships are normal forms of human bonding. Therefore, these mainstream organizations long ago abandoned classifications of homosexuality as a mental disorder.

From <https://www.apa.org/topics/lgbtq/orientation>

What part of the above don't you understand?

Face it. You're bigot who cites bigotry in an attempt to justify your ridiculously ludicrous position.

Conveniently you edited out important facts, that it wasn’t by science but by bullying that the they felt forced to change the definition…

“The American Psychological Association originally defined homosexuality as a disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders-II (DSM-II), then, was harassed into changing the definition. "Led by radicals like Franklin Kameny, pro-sodomy activists attacked psychiatrists across America, as Newsweek describes: “But even more than the government, it is the psychiatrists who have experienced the full rage of the homosexual activists. Over the past two years, gay-lib organizations have repeatedly disrupted medical meetings, and three months ago—in the movements most aggressive demonstration so far—a group of 30 militants broke into a meeting of the American Psychiatric Association in Washington, where they turned the staid proceedings into near chaos..."
https://www.scribd.com/doc/123568250/The-Born-Gay-Hoax

So, the definition of homosexuality was changed from being a disorder to being normalized, not because of scientific research, but as a political move by harassing homosexual lobbyists.


Back in JH debate class, our teacher would tell us to be prepared to debate either side of an argument. But arguing against biological facts, I would also struggle like you, to debate. I might be tempted, if the audience was ignorant about logical fallacies, to also engage in ad hominem attacks, red herring, appeal to emotion & other desperate attempts to try to argue against reality, as you have.

Perspective wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 4:23 pm

Age wrote: ↑Fri Mar 07, 2025 12:54 am

Perspective wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 9:23 pm
The American Psychological Association originally defined homosexuality as a disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders-II (DSM-II), then, was harassed into changing the definition.

'Current' 'medical or professional associations' also originally defined some people are witches, and being a witch is a disorder, AS WELL. Until those 'expert associations' were 'harassed into changing 'their definitions', ALSO.

Perspective wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 9:23 pm
"Led by radicals like Franklin Kameny, pro-sodomy activists attacked psychiatrists across America, as Newsweek describes: “But even more than the government, it is the psychiatrists who have experienced the full rage of the homosexual activists. Over the past two years, gay-lib organizations have repeatedly disrupted medical meetings, and three months ago—in the movements most aggressive demonstration so far—a group of 30 militants broke into a meeting of the American Psychiatric Association in Washington, where they turned the staid proceedings into near chaos..."
https://www.scribd.com/doc/123568250/The-Born-Gay-Hoax

So, the definition of homosexuality was changed from being a disorder to being normalized, not because of scientific research, but as a political move by harassing homosexual lobbyists.

The truth found in undeniable statistics is that actions based on homosexual practice make it a disorder (state of confusion) and even one that causes suffering by such confusion:

• 1. Homosexuality is not ever truly sex but involves fetishes, because sex involves the sexual organs of each, and homosexuality must resort to subsitutes... fetishes. (Fetish: any object or nongenital part of the body that causes a habitual erotic response or fixation. ) Anal sex is such a fetish. Some fetishes cause no harm, but anal sex can cause anal fissures, anal cancer, colon rupture and bacterial infections.
  
  2. According to the United States Center for Disease Control (US CDC), those with homosexual practices are many times more likely to contract STDs than heterosexuals.
  https://www.cdc.gov/msmhealth/STD.htm
  
  3. According to the United States Center for Disease Control (US CDC), those with homosexual practices are many times more likely to contract AIDS than heterosexuals.‪ ‬
  https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/group/msm/index.html
  
  4. Also According to the United States Center for Disease Control (US CDC), those who engage in homosexual practices are more likely to have mental illness. Research also has found that, compared to other men, MSM are at increased risk of: Major depression during adolescence and adulthood; Bipolar disorder; and Generalized anxiety disorder during adolescence and adulthood. MSM are also at greater risk for other health threats that often occur in conjunction with mental health problems (i.e., co-morbidities). These include greater use of illegal drugs and a greater risk for suicide.
  
  5. Most babies are born healthy, without disorders, including without homosexual preferences. At birth, our brains are only 25% developed. This makes us less intelligent at birth than many other mamals, however it ends up in our best interest because along with more caregiving support, we are better able to adapt to environmental influences. Under various circumstances, some such adaptations result in the development of homosexual preferences. There is no such thing as a gay gene - as mentioned in the first link above.
  
  Evidence shows that the development of homosexual practices are more linked to environmental influences than to biology. Science does not support the claim that homosexuality is genetic.. Even Homosexual Researchers Debunk ‘Born Gay’ Urban Legend http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/724179/posts
  
  "1. No research has found provable biological or genetic differences between heterosexuals & homosexuals that weren't caused by their behavior. 2. In 2 large studies conducted... Homosexuals overwhelmingly believed their feelings and behavior were the result of social or environmental influences. (Note that the focus of homosexual fetishes is limited to select countries, globally.) 3. Older homosexuals often approach the young 4. Early homosexual experiences influence adult patterns of behavior 5. Sexual conduct is influenced by cultural factors - esp. religious convictions 6. Many change their sexual preferences 7. There are many ex-homosexuals"

The homosexual herd is trying to push its way into the public - to make this disorder that statistically proves to be harmful, be accepted. Don't fall for it. Love people, not harmful behavior. IT IS CRUEL TO ENCOURAGE BEHAVIOR KNOWN TO BE HARMFUL.

What is HARMFUL, EXACTLY, in two human beings, with the same sexual organs, kissing each other?

Perspective wrote: ↑Thu Mar 06, 2025 9:23 pm

• "Tolerance applies to persons, but never to truth. Intolerance applies to truth, but never to persons. Tolerance applies to the erring; intolerance to the error." -F. Sheen

Asking that proves you didn’t read what I posted above.

This is obviously NOT necessarily true at all.

Perspective wrote: ↑Mon Mar 10, 2025 4:23 pm And you can look it up for yourself if you’re really interested in facts, not just confirmation bias.

That you do not have the ability to, or you do not want to, just share what you believe, here, is further proof that your claim, here, can not actually be backed and supported.

Wow the OP was in 2013 - I was 7 yo then.

And its still going.

And now - as in 2013 - no one is suggesting that same-sex marriage should be mandatory.

Strange for such a simple and obvious true statement be debated for a dozen years.