~ Ethics Applied ~

[Bill Wiltrack]

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The intellect is an important aspect of being human.


Philosophy, real philosophy, begins where intellect stops.



In art, all types of art, there are three general phases that an artist can experience.

The first phase is marked by a conscious decision to study other artists' work in a general field.


Then the artists focuses upon their own work to develop their own style.


Then, if the artist is lucky, if they are a true artist, they become lost in their work.Time, style, other peoples perception, none of this matters. The artist is allows themselves to be lost, to be sucked into the magnet that is their chosen field of art. The art; the individual, become what religions speak of.


I know where you are at.


I have been there.




I wish you the best.







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[artisticsolution]

A:I think he can be as 'original' as he likes. I think he well understands my point. I think he's actually trying to become a gnu and thats fine as well, but as long as he posts upon a philosophy forum he will find that others will raise questions about his thoughts and their purpose.

AS: Like I said...beating your head against a wall. I can understand you wanting a better philosophy forum...what I don't understand is why you choose Bill to converse with when it just adds to his readership as the mere size and number of posts you create just increases the odds that a newcomer will stumble across this type of 'philosophy' and either dig it and join in...perhaps even to create another Bill wanna be and then you have 2 or more to battle with....or the newcomer may get turned off by the discourse and go a better philosophical forum. If what you say about Bill is true, then you are helping his agenda.

A:I don't talk for his sake as I think despite his facade he has an agenda and I wish to show how a philosophical vein of mind explores such things. As all I do is either ask a question about anothers thought, state my own or give what I receive.

AS: Okay, you have done this...and Bill doesn't care. I knew long ago, when Bill would not graciously abide by your request to stop posting the long posts with spaces and pics that he was not the philosopher he makes himself out to be. I also understand that he can't help it...that he has a disease or mental illness or whatever that causes him to communicate in such a way. He will not stop no matter how much you bring it to his attention that you do not like it. So you have your answer...and some battles are not worth it...as they just promote what one is against. You (and now I) give Bill a bigger audience.

A:That it may be viewed as bullying makes me think that peoples egos may be too fragile for the subject of philosophy.

AS: I did not mean that Bill may perceive your posts as bullying if that is what you are suggesting. I mean the audience (I and others) that views these posts might view them as bullying the mentally ill. If they perceive Bill to be mentally ill. I don't think that makes us too fragile of ego.

Look...I don't know what goes on in Bills head...he may know exactly what he is doing. He may just be a jerk...but what if he isn't? What if he doesn't know he is mentally ill and thinks his posts make sense (not that I am saying he is mentally ill...I don't know this either.) I am simply saying that we can't know the reasons he does the things he does...so therefore it might just be that we are the ones in the wrong. I will leave it to the mods to decide whether or not Bill is a detriment to this forum. Personally, I think he would go away if ignored...perhaps he wouldn't right away...but his post would have less of an audience and eventually... I think he would get bored and either move on or try to communicate better.

A:Now it might be that Bill is just using this forum to try and solve his mental issues but in that case then I think he should be seeing a shrink not posting here.

AS:Do the mentally ill always know they are mentally ill? Or is it usually the professionals who make that distinction?

A:Ok, ok! I understand that this could be applied to all but in that case I think he should at least refrain from deriding what he can't be bothered to learn and have at least the courtesy to either answer a question or at least think about it and refrain from trying to head-fuck the other with his cod psycho-babble, especially since he appears so bad at it and can't take it himself.

AS: Do the mentally ill strive to be courteous? I guess some do....but maybe others don't know they are being courteous? I am aware I am not always courteous....but sometimes I am not aware that I am not being courteous until hindsight or until others have told me. So I am thinking the same applies to the mentally ill.....in that there are all types of personalities and some may not strive to be courteous?

All I know...is it seems to me...that you are the more adult one here...so again I ask...why do you waste your philosophical talent and knowledge on Bill when it only creates more of what you wish to dissuade?

[Bill Wiltrack]

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...little shocked at your position.


You of all people.



You should be able to understand & appreciate the power of images, the power of the non-linear aspect of life & of applied philosophy.





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[Arising_uk]

...little shocked at your position.
You of all people.
You should be able to understand & appreciate the power of images, the power of the non-linear aspect of life & of applied philosophy.

What you don't understand and appreciate is AS actually creates images whereas you just plagiarize them.

I think its why she visits here as its a change of thought for her and much has she grown here.

[Arising_uk]

The intellect is an important aspect of being human.

Philosophy, real philosophy, begins where intellect stops.

No, it doesn't. You sound like you are talking about religion or ideological politics and propaganda.

What do you mean by "real philosophy"? If you mean what Marx said then Marx wrote a tiny wee book that changed the world more than any image or images has ever done.

In art, all types of art, there are three general phases that an artist can experience.

The first phase is marked by a conscious decision to study other artists' work in a general field.

Then the artists focuses upon their own work to develop their own style.

Then, if the artist is lucky, if they are a true artist, they become lost in their work.Time, style, other peoples perception, none of this matters. The artist is allows themselves to be lost, to be sucked into the magnet that is their chosen field of art. The art; the individual, become what religions speak of.

Maybe, but on the whole artists tend to create their own work not just plagiarize others.

I know where you are at.

No, you don't.

I have been there.

No, you haven't.

I wish you the best.

Save your platitudes for the crowd.

[artisticsolution]

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...little shocked at your position.

You of all people.


You should be able to understand & appreciate the power of images, the power of the non-linear aspect of life & of applied philosophy.
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Bill,

I have no problem with your posts. In fact some of them I like very much. What I am confused by is your seemingly lack of empathy for others when it is clear to me from your posts you care deeply about issues which help mankind. So when you advocate liberal ideas which may help create a world of equality and peace and then turn around and behave the exact opposite toward individuals it blows me away.

Yes, I am all for art...art for arts sake I always say. However, in my way of thinking, art SERVES to enhances peoples lives. Art does not trump people. So I would think, from judging from some of the post that are important to you, that you would practice what you preach. Goodwill, cooperation, and helping make people more comfortable by helping them and seeing they make a fair decent wage etc., so they can live free, healthy, etc. as possible....I mean, isn't that what you like about unions, MLK, Obama, etc? That they help people?

Well. I remember in the beginning...Arising said very respectfully that your post caused his computer to load slowly...or something to that effect. And I just assumed being a liberal minded fair sort of fella that you would respect his request and at least try to make your post shorter. But you didn't...in fact you made them longer. You became sort of a tyrant. That's not the liberal way...that is the republican way. That is the head butting congress we have in Washington way.

So tell me....what am I to think when you advocate one thing but do another?

On the other hand, I think I do understand that you want to understand if others feel the same as you when they look at a picture. I too look for that type intimacy with others. I dig when people dive me a glimpse into their inner being. It makes me feel not so alone. But I also think that others want to know what I think as well...so I tell them...freely...and if they say they don't understand...I tell them in another way...as I feel it is only fair if they showed me theirs I should show them mine. However, I have seen many people on this forum ask you what YOU think your pics mean...and you say NOTHING. You are a pic tease. You want them to show you theirs but you do not reciprocate! It blows me away as other times I see you want to help the world. What gives?

[reasonvemotion]

Bill doesnt care?........



Bill cares too much, sometimes to the detriment of his own well being.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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I appreciate your responses.



I have traits that are harmful to me communicating and, at times, hurtful to others. You have perceived & defined some of these characteristics of mine rather well.


I mean everything I say, and I have meant everything that I have said here at the forums.




I appreciate the membership here and I hope all of you have enjoyed as much growth internally and externally as I have because of this forum.



I wish the best for all of us.




The reason I ask for others opinions is that I already know my opinion and asserting that opinion upon others, right off the bat, is destructive and harmful to me communicating & listening to others. It kind-of feeds the bad wolf.






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[artisticsolution]

I think its why she visits here as its a change of thought for her and much has she grown here.

It is true...I have grown here in that you and this forum and magazine gave me a voice, where before I did not know how to express my thoughts.

Then again....how can we be sure I have grown vs. just learned how to ape?

[tillingborn]

Then again....how can we be sure I have grown vs. just learned how to ape?

If I could ape Rembrandt, I would think I had grown. A lot.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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[Arising_uk]

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Then I will tell you what I saw, or rather felt, the first time I saw this exchange.

Don't know about anyone else but I'm still waiting for this.

[Arising_uk]

... cares too much, sometimes to the detriment of his own well being.

This is not care, its self-indulgence.

[Arising_uk]

Like I said...beating your head against a wall. ...

I stand chastised AS. In my defense it's not the piccys, the whitespace or the formatting(although the misuse truly hurts the eyes of someone who likes words), its been the content of his statements I've been addressing(what few there were). Can't guarantee I will be able to avoid questioning any future 'philosophical thesis' but true or not I accept your points.

[Bill Wiltrack]

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I appreciate you thinking of me and of trusting me in asking for my opinion upon this important and interesting philosophical exchange.


I take this responsibility seriously.

Take my hand.

As I guide you through this, sometimes connotative subject of philosophy, please keep in mind I will always guide you with patience and honesty.




I also give thanks to you for recognizing that it often appears that I care too much about others. This means a lot to me. Yes, sometime I do empathize with others to the detriment of my own well being. But that risk will never deter me.



As far as the Ethics Applied within the GIF I used as a teaching device, the girls Applied Ethics by choosing not to expose their breasts to the immediate detriment of the young chick.








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One thing that I would impart here, in reference more to philosophy in general but also applied to this GIF that I used in my original post, things are not always as simple as they may initially appear...



Thank you again, all of you. for all the accolades that you have bestowed upon me. I don't deserve them.




This was a fun and I hope insightful thread for all active members who participated.






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