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reasonvemotion
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CW.wrote
As far as i know neither Bible has any word to say about pornography - so on this point, NO, RE has no point

Oh but it does.......LOL, but this thread was not intended to "be religious" as I know it has the perponderance to close one's ears or eyes and I wanted my post to be read at least.
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Testosterone results. Stumbled on this little gem. Lose your fear and become a man. Check it out.

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/emasculating-truth/
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reasonvemotion wrote:Oh but it does.......LOL, but this thread was not intended to "be religious" ...
In Chazland, all threads are about religion. :-)
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reasonvemotion wrote:Testosterone results. Stumbled on this little gem. Lose your fear and become a man. Check it out.
Here's a theory as to why.

For millions of years, predating even the existence of humans, the male was physically stronger than the female, and this mattered.

So, if the female wanted to have any power, she had to be smarter than the male. Females becoming smarter than males evolved over endless generations.

For eons there was a power balance between the physically stronger males and the mentally stronger females.

But now....

Physical strength is no longer important. And, the modern world is a complex social environment that females are much better adapted to than males.

And so we see for instance, college graduation rates for women racing past that of men. Which of course means that women will increasingly take the reigns of power in our society.

What will men do in this new world, which is a revolutionary new environment, even in terms of recent history?

We will stamp our feet and holler like apes on forums. We will join the Taliban and try to turn back the clock of history. We will lash out in rage and do school shootings. We will attempt to stay 17 long in to our 30s, hoping to avoid the impossible situation we now find ourselves in.

We will ravish digital women in our minds, because it's starting to dawn on real women that they actually no longer need us. They are the stronger party now, they are the breadwinner.

Sure, men could stay home and raise the kids. Except that millions of years of evolution are yelling inside our private minds that this is not what we're supposed to be doing. And, millions of years of evolution are yelling the same message inside of our mate's minds, though they usually dare not admit it out loud, because day care is so damn expensive. :-)

What I see is that knowledge grows exponentially, driving social changes that humans can't adapt to fast enough. And, knowledge development accelerates the more knowledge that we have, pushing social change at us ever faster.

As this unfolding never ending change becomes ever more confusing and challenging, we'll see a migration in to the virtual realm, led by men. That is, men will respond to this loss of control by gravitating towards environments that promise us more control over our experience than we ever imagined was possible.

That's the context that I see porn existing in. It's hard to discuss that context though, because as soon as anybody says the word "sex" it's the human tendency tend to immediately dive headlong in moralizing and counter-moralizing etc etc.
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Some sobering Australian facts. Men are better paid, but women are better educated. Men dominate the top executive jobs, at least in business, while women do most of the unpaid work and care at home.

A data roundup by the Bureau of Statistics offers a diverse picture of the differences between men and women.

Overall, it seems you're still better off to be a man: men get paid more but work less, when all the unpaid work is taken into account. Women are making up ground but the pace of change is uneven.

Taking all this into account, it seems, men, have more energy and time to masturabate than women. :shock:
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reasonvemotion wrote:Some sobering Australian facts. Men are better paid, but women are better educated. Men dominate the top executive jobs, at least in business, while women do most of the unpaid work and care at home.

A data roundup by the Bureau of Statistics offers a diverse picture of the differences between men and women.

Overall, it seems you're still better off to be a man: men get paid more but work less, when all the unpaid work is taken into account. Women are making up ground but the pace of change is uneven.

Taking all this into account, it seems, men, have more energy and time to masturabate than women. :shock:
I wondered when you would show your true colours and reduce this thread to another rant about feminism - no wonder australian men are running from women and taking their fate into their own hands!!
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reasonvemotion wrote:

Some sobering Australian facts. Men are better paid, but women are better educated. Men dominate the top executive jobs, at least in business, while women do most of the unpaid work and care at home.

A data roundup by the Bureau of Statistics offers a diverse picture of the differences between men and women.

Overall, it seems you're still better off to be a man: men get paid more but work less, when all the unpaid work is taken into account. Women are making up ground but the pace of change is uneven.

Taking all this into account, it seems, men, have more energy and time to masturabate than women.


I wondered when you would show your true colours and reduce this thread to another rant about feminism - no wonder australian men are running from women and taking their fate into their own hands!!


People hear only what they want to hear or are capable of hearing, which is, quite often, not is what is meant to convey. This is what you have done here.
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I can't believe that I am saying this, but I have to agree with Chaz.

I have seen a whole lot of man hating on this forum, and a whole lot of poor-me women-victims.

Gee
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So, if the female wanted to have any power, she had to be smarter than the male. Females becoming smarter than males evolved over endless generations.

"The full effect of modernity on women is only just emerging" and the history of IQ testing is controversial because it has consistently shown differences between genders and races. The key advance was the 1980s discovery of the "Flynn Effect" which showed that scores in western countries increased by roughly three points a decade, which also shows IQ is not genetic and can be improved. As an aside, IQ testing in Australia, of male and female IQs were found to be almost identical. Improvement is more marked for women than for men because they were more disadvantaged in the past. Women are feeling the full force of our merciless society as are men. They are having to surrender their maternal right to care and nurture their infant children in a home environment. Women go back to the work force, mainly out of financial necessity. Men's wages may not be sufficient to meet the growing costs incurred by modern day living. As a consequence more women who are educated equally/more will be employed over men as they will be the less expensive option. What are the growing "side effects" of all this on men. Depression, feelings of worthlessness and even suicide. How does a person alleviate this? Internet pornography is an instant fix but after the high the low returns and it should be noted people with low dopamine activity may be more prone to addiction. It is a lonely pursuit.

There is a great deal of truth in what Felasco said below.
Sure, men could stay home and raise the kids. Except that millions of years of evolution are yelling inside our private minds that this is not what we're supposed to be doing. And, millions of years of evolution are yelling the same message inside of our mate's minds, though they usually dare not admit it out loud, because day care is so damn expensive.
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To see the intelligence difference between men and women, we need only look at who is getting what they want.

Suburbia.

Suburbia is a fantastic environment for raising kids. It's safe, it's clean, it's orderly, it's filled with food, medicine and education etc.

10,000 years of human history have delivered women an environment perfectly suited to their mission of raising kids. They have gotten what they've always wanted.

Suburbia is not an ideal environment for men. It's too safe, too orderly, too neat and tidy perfect etc. Men are lost in suburbia, and have convinced ourselves that being a man involves mowing the grass and watching sports on TV, instead of hunting bears, or raiding the next village on horseback.

Do you see? Women have convinced men to give them exactly what they want, a perfect baby raising environment, while men give up what they really want, fighting and fucking.

Women win = women are smarter.

Men are not even smart enough to realize what's happened.
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Gee wrote:I can't believe that I am saying this, but I have to agree with Chaz.

I have seen a whole lot of man hating on this forum, and a whole lot of poor-me women-victims.

Gee
Thanks.
It's the best time in history for women right now.
The fact that they still average lower wages, is less about discrimination than the facts that women; still take time off work to have children; often choose to be homemakers despite their education; are not as attracted to higher paying and sometimes more dangerous jobs; and there is still some legacy of a time when women were not expected to work - most over 50s (jobs paying the most in any event) women were still born in a time when the equality laws were newly made.
Women have the best rights when it comes to divorce and achieving child care. We are now at the stage where men fear marriage as a form of slavery, rather than the other way round. Being under the threat of loosing everything does not make men feel secure and hands all the ultimate power to women. I could never recommend marriage to my son, nor any man, until they were past child rearing age.
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Sure, men could stay home and raise the kids. Except that millions of years of evolution are yelling inside our private minds that this is not what we're supposed to be doing. And, millions of years of evolution are yelling the same message inside of our mate's minds, though they usually dare not admit it out loud, because day care is so damn expensive.
This is a typical false argument from nature.
The changes in social and gender relations have happened far too quickly (one or two generations) to be the result of evolution. Anthropology teaches us that cultures are the determining factor for gender relations, and it is also clear that human societies have examples where hunting and child rearing are on the one hand totally equally divided, whereas in other societies the extreme case of gender roles being utterly separated. These strategies can be found in humans that are identical genetically, and evolved to the same level.*
Although there are clear differences in libido and other matters relating directly to sex, men make as good child rearers as women given the right experience and cultural normativity.

The fact is that cultural norms still inform gender attitudes and expectations; that's why the law is geared to favour women against men, and that is why men are not encouraged to love and care for children as much as women.


* While Chipewyan society provide an extreme which justifies hunter/gatherer, by using 90% flesh in their diet all provided by men (Sharp 1981, p221ff) , the Agta provide an example, which is "not unique", of social practices in which both men and women hunt and help each other raise children (Estioko-Griffin & Griffin 1981 ibid.) as does Turnbull(1961,p206) who points out that Mbuti women are thought by men to be "essential partners in the economy", without whom there would be no hearth, house, fruit and vegetables.
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The changes in social and gender relations have happened far too quickly (one or two generations) to be the result of evolution.
I made no such point, so I don't know what you're rebelling against here.
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C.W. wrote:
men make as good child rearers as women given the right experience and cultural normativity.
Not you.


C.W. wrote:
We are now at the stage where men fear marriage as a form of slavery, rather than the other way round. Being under the threat of loosing everything does not make men feel secure and hands all the ultimate power to women. I could never recommend marriage to my son, nor any man, until they were past child rearing age.


"We"? I think this is your personal opinion, garnered from your own disappointing experience of marriage. To instill this into your son, exposes your limited vision of humanity and experience of women.

Just accept the fact "you chose a lemon". This is not a universal predicament or your son's. It is your own and as such should remain with you.
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reasonvemotion wrote:C.W. wrote:
men make as good child rearers as women given the right experience and cultural normativity.
Not you.

As usual you are talking way beyond your ability to speak.
Ask my son what he thinks and then you will know how wrong you are.

C.W. wrote:
We are now at the stage where men fear marriage as a form of slavery, rather than the other way round. Being under the threat of loosing everything does not make men feel secure and hands all the ultimate power to women. I could never recommend marriage to my son, nor any man, until they were past child rearing age.

"We"? I think this is your personal opinion, garnered from your own disappointing experience of marriage. To instill this into your son, exposes your limited vision of humanity and experience of women.

No, this has nothing to do with women, but legal and social power. Marriage is a contract that binds to people together. We used to call that slavery. Were the benefits and rewards on an equal basis then it might be different. But I would no more recommend this estate to a man now as I would not have recommended it to a woman 100 years ago, when the balance was all the other way.


Just accept the fact "you chose a lemon". This is not a universal predicament or your son's. It is your own and as such should remain with you.

I have had the privilege and the pleasure to have been been several women throughout my life whom I have loved and they have loved me. Right now I am with the perfect match with whom I intend to stay for the rest of my life. We are not married.
For my son I will council respect and caution.
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