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Hitler was bad, but not as bad as Charles Darwin, whose theories have damned 140 million or more to eternal perdition.

Alexiev wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 4:54 pm Hitler was bad, but not as bad as Charles Darwin, whose theories have damned 140 million or more to eternal perdition.

They all have the option not to believe in him. The Jews who were gassed couldn't decide not to be gassed.

And of course, those ending up in perdition would have some sadistic demiurge to blame, not Darwin.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 4:45 pm

Alexiev wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 4:54 pm Hitler was bad, but not as bad as Charles Darwin, whose theories have damned 140 million or more to eternal perdition.

They all have the option not to believe in him. The Jews who were gassed couldn't decide not to be gassed.

And of course, those ending up in perdition would have some sadistic demiurge to blame, not Darwin.

I mention Darwin because IC blames Marx for 140 million deaths, and Darwin and Marx are the two 19th century intellectuals who changed the way we look at ourselves and our society (along with Freud). If IC can blame Marx, I can blame Darwin! How many poor souls quit believing in Genesis because of that scoundrel!?

Alexiev wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 10:07 pm

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Thu Jul 25, 2024 4:45 pm

Alexiev wrote: ↑Tue Jul 23, 2024 4:54 pm Hitler was bad, but not as bad as Charles Darwin, whose theories have damned 140 million or more to eternal perdition.

They all have the option not to believe in him. The Jews who were gassed couldn't decide not to be gassed.

And of course, those ending up in perdition would have some sadistic demiurge to blame, not Darwin.

I mention Darwin because IC blames Marx for 140 million deaths, and Darwin and Marx are the two 19th century intellectuals who changed the way we look at ourselves and our society (along with Freud). If IC can blame Marx, I can blame Darwin! How many poor souls quit believing in Genesis because of that scoundrel!?

In the context of IC's idiocy,, I mean, logic, anything is permitted.

Me, I blame Gutenberg.

What if "adolf hitler" just rallied together some human beings and killed a group of people who were going to be the cause of untold and unimaginably misery, damage, and harm to humanity, itself, which human beings collectively could not have overcome from?

Would "adolf hitler" be as bad as some made him out to be?

Or, what if what if what "jesus christ" did was what has caused the wars, misery, damage, and destruction that is happening and occurring in 'the world', when this is being written.

Would "jesus christ" be as 'good' as some make him out to be?

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2024 4:51 am What if "adolf hitler" just rallied together some human beings and killed a group of people who were going to be the cause of untold and unimaginably misery, damage, and harm to humanity, itself, which human beings collectively could not have overcome from?

Is this something you are planning? Would you kill millions or help to organize the killing of millions of people if you thought this would lead to a net reduction in human suffering?

If someone drives somewhere to rape a baby and on the way accidently runs over a serial killer on the way to the rape, does this make the driver a better person?

Would "adolf hitler" be as bad as some made him out to be?

Given the vast range of assessments different groups of 'some people' have made about Hitler, yes.

Are you a consequentialist?

Or, what if what if what "jesus christ" did was what has caused the wars, misery, damage, and destruction that is happening and occurring in 'the world', when this is being written.

Do you view this as hypothetical?

Would "jesus christ" be as 'good' as some make him out to be?

What group or individuals is 'some' referring to?

"If someone drives somewhere to rape a baby and on the way accidently runs over a serial killer on the way to the rape, does this make the driver a better person?"

It depends on what kind of serial killer we're talking about. U talking about the Heuermann- Schaefer type who's never had a hard day in his life, or the type that was locked in the basement by his alcoholic mother and forced to wear girl's dresses... sodomized or beaten by his own father... ridiculed for his speech impediment or bed wetting... lied to by his mother about who his father is and ostracized by peers for being a bastard... beaten and punished by priests in catholic school, etc.?

If the former, sure, the driver might be a slightly better person; he's eliminated at least one piece of shit like himself. If the latter, the person should beaten mercilessly and fined for interfering with something waaaaay more important than he or anyone else could ever comprehend or compare to.

Always aks yourself what kind of killer do we mean before determining whether or not he's a bad guy. Many of these guys are beautiful monsters and we should not want to disturb them or their work. And we certainly wouldn't wanna run em over. A good samaritan would be offering em a ride instead.

All this assuming the driver wasn't one of the latter types described, himself, of course.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 03, 2024 1:16 pm "If someone drives somewhere to rape a baby and on the way accidently runs over a serial killer on the way to the rape, does this make the driver a better person?"

It depends on what kind of serial killer we're talking about. U talking about the Heuermann- Schaefer type who's never had a hard day in his life, or the type that was locked in the basement by his alcoholic mother and forced to wear girl's dresses... sodomized or beaten by his own father... ridiculed for his speech impediment or bed wetting... lied to by his mother about who his father is and ostracized by peers for being a bastard... beaten and punished by priests in catholic school, etc.?

If the former, sure, the driver might be a slightly better person;

For me, it doesn't change anything about the person this incidental killing he never intended.
Further, given butterfly effect effects, how can we really ever measure a person's effects to find out if they are good. And what is the time limit on effects. Perhaps 1000 years from now the causal chain suddenly leads in a different direction.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Aug 03, 2024 10:55 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Jul 27, 2024 4:51 am What if "adolf hitler" just rallied together some human beings and killed a group of people who were going to be the cause of untold and unimaginably misery, damage, and harm to humanity, itself, which human beings collectively could not have overcome from?

Is this something you are planning?

Well this is one Truly absurd and idiotic thing to even begin to imagine or assume, let alone ask 'out aloud' in a public forum of all places. And, especially considering what I have actually been saying and writing in this forum.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Aug 03, 2024 10:55 am Would you kill millions or help to organize the killing of millions of people if you thought this would lead to a net reduction in human suffering?

'This one' has, again, managed, completely, to miss what I have actually meant and was pointing out.

But, 'this one' does this continually. And, does so for the very reasons that I have been saying, revealing, and pointing out here.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Aug 03, 2024 10:55 am If someone drives somewhere to rape a baby and on the way accidently runs over a serial killer on the way to the rape, does this make the driver a better person?

To who?

Notice how this one will not answer clarifying questions, but then, only at particular times, chooses to ask clarifying questions.

Which is Truly funny, considering the actual questions it decides to ask. That is; the questions have absolutely nothing at all to do with what I was pointing out and showing.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Aug 03, 2024 10:55 am

Would "adolf hitler" be as bad as some made him out to be?

Given the vast range of assessments different groups of 'some people' have made about Hitler, yes.

So, even if "adolf hitler" ended up killing one or more human beings, that it was found out later, who would have been far worse than "adolf hitler", "itself", 'this one' still believes that "adolf hitler" would have been so-called 'as bad' as some made it out to be, before those ones realized what "adolf hitler" had actually saved their children and grandchildren, for example, from, exactly.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Aug 03, 2024 10:55 am Are you a consequentialist?

Obviously 'you', still, do not have any absolute clue nor idea as to who and what 'I' am, exactly.

Which is absolutely understandable considering that 'you' have never even tried to understand who nor what 'I' am, exactly.

If 'you' even has the slightest remote idea to who 'I' am, then 'you' would not have asked such a Truly nonsensical question as 'you' did here.

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Aug 03, 2024 10:55 am

Or, what if what if what "jesus christ" did was what has caused the wars, misery, damage, and destruction that is happening and occurring in 'the world', when this is being written.

Do you view this as hypothetical?

Why?

Would it matter one iota?

If yes, then why, exactly?

What if what "jesus christ" did, has caused the Wrong in 'the world' 'today', when this is being written, would ...?

Iwannaplato wrote: ↑Sat Aug 03, 2024 10:55 am

Would "jesus christ" be as 'good' as some make him out to be?

What group or individuals is 'some' referring to?

To any group, or individual, who claims "jesus christ" is 'good'?

Also, I will have to apologize for the misuse of one word twice here.

promethean75 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 03, 2024 1:16 pm "If someone drives somewhere to rape a baby and on the way accidently runs over a serial killer on the way to the rape, does this make the driver a better person?"

It depends on what kind of serial killer we're talking about. U talking about the Heuermann- Schaefer type who's never had a hard day in his life, or the type that was locked in the basement by his alcoholic mother and forced to wear girl's dresses... sodomized or beaten by his own father... ridiculed for his speech impediment or bed wetting... lied to by his mother about who his father is and ostracized by peers for being a bastard... beaten and punished by priests in catholic school, etc.?

What would absolutely any of this matter?

Obviously, if some thing is an 'accident', then that would never ever make a 'person' a 'better' nor 'worse' person'. (Even if 'that' could be or was such a thing.)

promethean75 wrote: ↑Sat Aug 03, 2024 1:16 pm If the former, sure, the driver might be a slightly better person; he's eliminated at least one piece of shit like himself. If the latter, the person should beaten mercilessly and fined for interfering with something waaaaay more important than he or anyone else could ever comprehend or compare to.

Always aks yourself what kind of killer do we mean before determining whether or not he's a bad guy. Many of these guys are beautiful monsters and we should not want to disturb them or their work. And we certainly wouldn't wanna run em over. A good samaritan would be offering em a ride instead.

Why do you like murder, and rape, so much?

Why do you get a 'thrill' out of murders and out of those who murder others?

And, why do you 'look up to' some who have murdered and raped others?

"What would absolutely any of this matter?"

It doesn't. I have no idea what's going on in this thread. I just saw 'serial killer' and thought i could hijack another thread and turn it into stuff about serial killers so everyone would be like 'that fucker prom' and become uncomfortable again.

Veg'll be here in... *looks at watch*... about five hours.

No seriously I'm what u call an anarcho-accelerationist, age. I'm tryna speed up the disintegration of decadent western capitalist society before it makes everyone insane and destroys everything. And your serial killers are excellent source material for anarcho-accelerationists.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Sat Jul 13, 2024 1:27 pm A post made a while back in another thread still has me thinking about it.

In my opinion, Hitler is NOT someone we ought to sympathize with. We really ought to steer clear of what happened in Nazi Germany. Why? Because there were "concentration" camps and Germany invaded many countries unprovoked. Hitler was Hillter and he was not good. Full stop. End of story. Can we move on now?

He did the wrong things but he didn't do things alone!