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Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:43 pm You can't gain them from outside of yourself. They have to be something you feel or we're not talking about ethics/morality (or any value judgments in general). The environment can influence your value judgments, but it doesn't give them to you.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:40 pm

Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:40 pm The same old stupid mistake of thinking that if one is saying that value judgments, moral stances, oughts, etc. etc. aren't factual, aren't true/false, then one must be saying that people don't actually hold or act on any value judgments, moral stances, oughts, etc.

You don't even know what a "mistake" means.

If your conception of "factuality" and "truth" excludes what people actually do then your conception of "factuality" and "truth" is incomplete.

So just because you've decided to invent a taxonomy in which humans are not part of "the state of affairs", whose problem is that exactly?
That's a rhetorical question. It's your fucking problem that your've invented some taxonomy which inherently embraces special pleading.

Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:48 pm I thought you didn't make claims?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:41 pm

Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 5:43 pm You can't gain them from outside of yourself. They have to be something you feel or we're not talking about ethics/morality (or any value judgments in general). The environment can influence your value judgments, but it doesn't give them to you.

Great. So you and Flash Dangerdork need to gave a conversation.

Because he opposes moral realism/moral naturalism or any notion of "morality".

Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:50 pm We need to have a conversation so we can keep typing "yeah, I agree" at each other or something?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:48 pm

Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:48 pm I thought you didn't make claims?

I don't and I haven't.

Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:54 pm Yeah, that's just like Age doesn't have beliefs.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:54 pm

Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:54 pm Yeah, that's just like Age doesn't have beliefs.

I have said it a dozen times. I believe that I don't have any beliefs.

Go ahead and assign that a truth-value. I am sure your biases will do a fine job.

Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 6:56 pm You could be one of Age's split personalities.

Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:02 pm Seriously, by the way, I've often wished that Skepdick, Age, etc.--everyone with a personality in that vein--I've often wished that it was one really manic asshole posting as a bunch of different people on a bunch of different boards, in a bunch of different chat rooms, etc., over the past 25 years because it's too depressing to think that there are a bunch of people around with the same more or less carbon copy unduly arrogant jerkwad personality.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:12 pm

Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:02 pm Seriously, by the way, I've often wished that Skepdick, Age, etc.--everyone with a personality in that vein--I've often wished that it was one really manic asshole posting as a bunch of different people on a bunch of different boards, in a bunch of different chat rooms, etc., over the past 25 years because it's too depressing to think that there are a bunch of people around with the same more or less carbon copy unduly arrogant jerkwad personality.

I share this exact sentiment about philosophers.

Carbon copies. The lot of you. Predictable in every aspect.

Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:15 pm That explains why you appeal to them so often in your comments, sure.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:18 pm

Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:15 pm That explains why you appeal to them so often in your comments, sure.

You don't have another explanation? Say... I don't have to write out what's already written?

I used to appeal to Mathematical theories/theorems but those went over your head. Target your audience at their level of understanding.

Terrapin Station wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 7:21 pm Yeah, definitely that would explain appealing to stuff you don't agree with.