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Belinda wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:03 pm This does me no good because who I worship is Jesus, not Christ.

So you worship a man whom you say is not God, and is not Messiah, not "God-with-us," but only a human being.

Why would you worship somebody who you insist is a mere man?

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:15 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:03 pm This does me no good because who I worship is Jesus, not Christ.

So you worship a man whom you say is not God, and is not Messiah, not "God-with-us," but only a human being.

Why would you worship somebody who you insist is a mere man?

Worship is not idolatry. 'Worship' is a contraction of 'worthship'.
Jesus is a much better person than I so I revere him, his life, and his work.

Belinda wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:28 am Jesus is a much better person than I so I revere him, his life, and his work.

That's not a bad start. It just isn't the end of the road.

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 6:05 am

Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 5:17 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Thu Jan 14, 2021 4:34 am
Is from long before the time of Christ, actually, in the 8th Century BC. It's found in the prophet Isaiah, who foretold the birth of Messiah.

"Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and she will name Him Immanuel..." (Isaiah 7:14)

...why would this literal name "Immanuel" NOT be the name rather than "Jesus Christ"?

Because the promise in the name "Immanuel" is that the one who would come, would be "God with us," so it was a description of his identity. But since you mention His human name, Jeshua or Jesus, it means "God saves." And "Christ" is not a name, but another title: it's the Greek word meaning "Messiah."

The rest of your message is a mad scramble of errors, Scott. I confess that I just haven't the patience even to straighten it out anymore.

And that is your religious bias that is affecting you. My mentality is fine, thank you.

Scott Mayers wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 6:13 am My mentality is fine, thank you.

I didn't insult your mentality. I just didn't find your writing coherent. It wasn't very easy to figure out how to get a focused thought out of it, or what was worth responding to.

Belinda wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:28 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:15 pm

Belinda wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:03 pm This does me no good because who I worship is Jesus, not Christ.

So you worship a man whom you say is not God, and is not Messiah, not "God-with-us," but only a human being.

Why would you worship somebody who you insist is a mere man?

Worship is not idolatry. 'Worship' is a contraction of 'worthship'.
Jesus is a much better person than I so I revere him, his life, and his work.

How long have you had this VERY LOW esteem of the/"your" 'self'?

Or, how long have you had low self-esteem?

When, and if, 'you' discover, or learn, who and what the 'person' ACTUALLY IS, then 'you' will realize WHY NO 'person' is better NOR worse than "another" 'person'.

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:01 am

Belinda wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:28 am

Immanuel Can wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:15 pm
So you worship a man whom you say is not God, and is not Messiah, not "God-with-us," but only a human being.

Why would you worship somebody who you insist is a mere man?

Worship is not idolatry. 'Worship' is a contraction of 'worthship'.
Jesus is a much better person than I so I revere him, his life, and his work.

How long have you had this VERY LOW esteem of the/"your" 'self'?

Or, how long have you had low self-esteem?

When, and if, 'you' discover, or learn, who and what the 'person' ACTUALLY IS, then 'you' will realize WHY NO 'person' is better NOR worse than "another" 'person'.

I wonder why you ask. Since you can have little interest in my psychological progress through my life I guess your intention is to display your theory that nobody is better or worse than another. It is an interesting theory and one that I agree with.

Jesus is however a special case. Little is known about his life, and what is 'known' is controversial. Scholars are divided as to what Jesus really said. This allows us to regard Jesus subjectively and culturally. We change cultures change and Jesus is an icon that can address the spiritual needs of changing individuals and cultures. Jesus is an icon portraying love that has many facets, or if you like, an icon of love that moves with the individual or the culture.

Jesus as icon is definable by only one unchanging attribute: love.

Belinda wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:49 am

Age wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 7:01 am

Belinda wrote: ↑Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:28 am
Worship is not idolatry. 'Worship' is a contraction of 'worthship'.
Jesus is a much better person than I so I revere him, his life, and his work.

How long have you had this VERY LOW esteem of the/"your" 'self'?

Or, how long have you had low self-esteem?

When, and if, 'you' discover, or learn, who and what the 'person' ACTUALLY IS, then 'you' will realize WHY NO 'person' is better NOR worse than "another" 'person'.

I wonder why you ask. Since you can have little interest in my psychological progress through my life I guess your intention is to display your theory that nobody is better or worse than another. It is an interesting theory and one that I agree with.

Jesus is however a special case.

This is ACTUALLY Incorrect, that is; when thee ACTUAL Truth is LOOKED AT, and DISCUSSED.

Belinda wrote: ↑Sun Jan 17, 2021 10:49 am Little is known about his life, and what is 'known' is controversial. Scholars are divided as to what Jesus really said. This allows us to regard Jesus subjectively and culturally. We change cultures change and Jesus is an icon that can address the spiritual needs of changing individuals and cultures. Jesus is an icon portraying love that has many facets, or if you like, an icon of love that moves with the individual or the culture.

Jesus as icon is definable by only one unchanging attribute: love.

And EVERY child as icon can EQUALLY ALSO be definable by only one unchanging attribute; love.

But a LOT of adults do NOT see older children this way.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Fri Jan 15, 2021 6:51 pm

henry quirk wrote: ↑Wed Jan 13, 2021 12:09 pm
I posted the link as an interjection into B & Mannie's conversation about mind & brain, so it wasn't meant as a comment about god, but -- yeah -- god exists

I believe the Creator is real, is a person, has an agenda & goals

Do you know as a real creator person aka god what the agenda/goal is?

my god is a quiet one...I can reason out some of his purpose, but it's just -- bottomline -- educated guesswork

seems to me: he wants us to worry less about his agenda and more about our own individual agendas

that's not to say he doesn't offer guidance: each man has a conscience just as each man has the choice to attend to conscience or ignore it

we are each a free will with a conscience